I think a high wattage UV light will wipeout all pathogens. But only doubt I have is will also inactivate the peptides?

It's possible, but I would not assume it. I can find no references online to UV being used to sterilize powders. UV is good at sterilizing surfaces, but powders or particles are a different category. From what I have read, powder sterilization is usually performed with heat.

I successfully used heat sterilization on my kambo (described earlier in this thread), but unfortunately this seemed to reduce the kambo potency by about 50%. So I guess you'd need to double the kambo dose to compensate.

Hip,

UV light is known to destroy microbes like bacteria, virus, fungus, spores and most other kind of pathogens. S if we shine that light on the Kambo stick, it should cleanse the stick.

Only question is do the peptides react to the UV light and may be are rendered inactive?

That is a good idea, although I would like to know more about how well UV light penetrates tiny particles of material. Pathogenic microbes buried within tiny particles of kambo may be shielded from the UV light.

You're right Hip so I've started asking people with CFS, ME or Depression to fill in a questionnaire every three months for me. I'm gonna focus on those for the moment as they're the most common issues that I come across and I seriously don't have the time to do more yet.

Thank you for showing me the way on this one.

A pleasure to be of help. I'd certainly be interested to see the results.

@Galega

why do you have CFS, ME and Depression in the same category? Do you know that we are fighting for nearly 30 years to have it separated? and have it in neuro-immunologic, post viral syndrome disfunction and not psychiatric condition as depression...

Any chronic illness is depressing, but doesn't mean it is depression.

I don't think Galega is putting ME/CFS and depression in the same category; I think she is just saying that she is going to send out these questionnaires to her ME/CFS patients, and also to her patients that suffer depression.

The only stumbling block I can foresee is mixing up patients that have just have chronic fatigue for a few months, with patients that have proper chronic fatigue syndrome for years. People can get chronic fatigue for a few months from an Epstein-Barr virus infection, for example, but this condition usually clears itself up within 6 months even without any medication, so chronic fatigue is not the same as chronic fatigue syndrome.

The official CDC diagnostic rules for chronic fatigue syndrome require that the fatigue must have been continuously present for at least 6 months before a diagnosis of CFS can be given.

Thanks for the info about measurement scales. These are really usefull. I think its difficult to say how many steps a person would improve as a general statement because everyone is individual and responds differently but I would want to see someone that I was treating move 4-6 steps up your scale over the period of a year. I've certainly seen that in a few cases.

Hi Galega — a CFS patient moving up 4-6 steps on the scale is an amazing achievement. In all the various CFS treatment protocols that I have seen (and I believe I am familiar with nearly all of them), a response as good as that is uncommon.

Generally speaking, for any given CFS treatment protocol, there tends to be a large variation in response: one CFS patient can do extremely well on a given treatment protocol, but the next patient may have no response at all, or just have a mediocre response. So if kambo follows the same tendencies as other CFS treatment protocols, you might also expect a significant variation in response to kambo from one CFS patient to the next.

I have been consulting with one of my Kambo teachers about these issues and trying to get some more info. He is Kaxinawa by the way

Firstly, Adding dry kambo to rape' and Frog Disease.

By my best interpretation - he told me that frog disease is a viral type illnes that cannot be gotten rid of. It is unknown to the outside world. Amongst other things, it can apparently weaken the heart muscles and cause cardiac arrest and have some effects on the brain - he described it as 'eating the brain'!. Indians who snort snuff with kambo in it do so only very occasionally and always in conjunction with heavy kambo sessions so the live kambo acts as a kind of anti venom/viral.

Very good work, Galega! Your information from the Kaxinawa Indian, about the frog's disease that you can catch from taking kambo intranasally or sublingually, is very much appreciated.

It certainly sounds very inadvisable to take kambo intranasally by snuff, or by the sublingual route. This infectious frog's disease may be some unknown virus, bacterium, fungus or parasitic organism. Definitely not something you want getting into your body, and eating your brain for lunch!

The interesting question is why this infectious microorganism from kambo does not infect the body when kambo is administered by skin burn. I suspect the skin burn method may protect you from infection, as a result of the inflammation at the site of the burn (inflammation is in fact the immune system working on overdrive). This inflammation probably destroys any infectious microorganism in the kambo before it gets a chance to enter the body. It is amazing that the Indians have been able to devise this safe method of kambo administration. 

Thirdly, Dermorphin dosing. Check out Opiod/Opiate Induced Psychosis. Usuallay resolves with a few days but has been known to occasionally trigger more lasting mental health problems (my background is psychology by the way).

Very interesting, Galega. I conducted a test where I took one single low dose of 100 mcg of pure pharmaceutical grade dermorphin as an experimental treatment for my chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS). For three days after this single dose of dermorphin, many of my CFS symptoms were noticeably improved. However, on the fourth day, I experienced some mild psychosis, which was quite horrible, but fortunately cleared up by the next day. Although I have experienced days with mild psychosis before, as I had anxiety disorder, and this is known to precipitate anxiety psychosis on bad days.

This mild psychosis experience has made me more careful and cautious about taking dermorphin as an experimental CFS treatment. Having said that, I think I may have worked out the biochemical mechanism by which dermorphin (and other opioids) can precipitate psychosis, and I may have a remedy that prevents this from happening.

You can read about my experiences with dermorphin as an experimental CFS treatment HERE and HERE and HERE.

There interesting thing about taking pure dermorphin was that I did not feel any bad effects at all when I took it (in fact no mental or physical effects manifested whatsoever from taking this dermorphin), and I did not feel bad in the first three days that followed (apart from some emotional flatness). This contrasts to what I understand about taking kambo for CFS, where you in fact feel worse for one or two days after taking kambo, before you feel better.

In your post here, Galega, you confirm this:

Every person that I have treated with CFS (or any compromised immune system) has felt sh*t the day after and improved over the next 5 days. I have found that as they progress with kambo, this drops from 5 to 4 to 3 etc until eventually it starts to kick in.

Have you treated many patients with CFS, by the way? It would be very interesting to hear your general observations on kambo as a CFS treatment, and any "dos" and "don't" that you have learnt from your experiences in treating CFS patients.

What did you mean when you said "I have found that as they progress with kambo, this drops from 5 to 4 to 3 etc until eventually it starts to kick in," incidentally? Are you saying that with repeated kambo treatments, the number of days that CFS patients feel bad after taking kambo reduces?

Not sure I understand what the issue is with the skin burns. They can be very small - ranging from 2 - 4 millimetres across. You can do tiny ones with an ultra fine incense stick - just do more burns or do two back to back treatments on the same burns. They heal pretty much invisible.  If you are taking Kambo on a regular basis you can reuse the same points over and over. Just wait until they are fully healed -2-3 months and use them again. I have burns that I reuse 4 or 5 times a year.  If you are doing cigarette sized burns and spacing them out then that's a little ugly. Small burns, strategically positioned (if you need discretion) and close together in a pattern are no worse than a tattoo. I love mine and I'm very proud of them. For those of us that have used kambo to aid our recovery from illness, they are a reminder of what we have overcome on our journey.

That is interesting that you can reuse the same burn spots several times a year.

In talking to other people with chronic fatigue syndrome about the possible benefits of kambo, a lot of people seem to be put off by the fact that you have to use skin burns to take kambo. But from what you are saying, it seems these burns can be very small — and reusable.

If you ever get a chance, it would be great to see some pictures of these small 2 – 4 mm skin burns that you make with an incense stick, and how the burns look after several months of healing. The pictures of the kambo burns I have seen (such as the pictures HERE) show cigarette-sized scars.

I would have thought, though, that with smaller sized burns, you would absorb less kambo? Is this the case, or are smaller burns equally as effective?

i am just going to let you know, you are wrong, not my opinion somebody told me to let you know that.

Peacefull Warrior, have you actually tried taking kambo sublingually (without simultaneously using any other routes of administration such as intranasally, etc), and if so, did you get an effect from sublingual kambo?

If you have not tried taking kambo purely sublingually, then try it for yourself, and see if you can get it to work. I'd be interested to hear your results.


In my own experiments, I measured out 1 mg of kambo powder for snorting intranasally (which I scrapped of my kambo stick and ground to a very fine powder using a mortar and pestle).

This low 1 mg dose is enough for a very light kambo trip (for a full kambo trip, though, you need to snort about 15 mg of kambo).

On each occasion when I snorted 1 mg of kambo, I got very rapid and very definite effects within a minute or two: a racing, pounding heart, and I had blood flushed to my face so that I looked bright red.

However, when I took the same 1 mg dose of kambo under my tongue, I got no effect whatsoever.

So if you can get sublingual kambo to work, then I will believe you. But until then, my impression is that you cannot take kambo sublingually.


One person (see HERE) tried putting kambo on the gum line and the cheeks inside his mouth (the cheeks inside the mouth are mucous membranes too), and he said that, quote: "using an extremely small amount in between the check and gum line….it swelled up like a balloon but the only effect I got was extremely lethargy similar to an opiate without much euphoria".

So the gum line / cheeks do seem to work to a degree.

another good trick is to add say mandarin, balsam fir needle, lemongrass, peppermint, cinnamon essential oils 1 drop each under the tongue with the kambo this will dramatically enhance the absorption and potency of the kambo and your bodies sensitivity to it

I suggest if you just take kambo sublingually (with or without essential oils), you will get no effect whatsoever. Kambo does not seem effective when taken sublingually.

Has anyone tried kambo under the tongue or on the gums, I am interested in trying it that way but don't want to overdose.

I see you mentioned being careful when doing it intranasaly but does the same caution apply for under the tongue or on the gums should I just give it a go or weigh it out before hand?

Thanks

Adamantasaurus

I tried taking kambo under the tongue: I placed 2 mg of finely powdered kambo under my tongue, and gently massaged this into the sublingual mucous membranes with my index finger.

I was surprised to find that there was no effect whatsoever from this sublingual administration of kambo.

I am not really sure why. Why should the nasal mucosa be very effective in rapidly absorbing snorted kambo powder, and giving you a kambo trip, yet the sublingual mucosa don't seem to work at all, at least for the dose of kambo I used?