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Xochipilli:
I recently applied kambo to someone but they didn't purge. Not out the mouth at least, they purged out the other end about an hour after the application. I've heard that administering some Rape' helps with that. Do indigenous healers use this substance with kambo to facilitate the purge?

Kambogahuasca Panacea:
My friend that got me into Hop-A, Adrian Rivas (http://spiritofkambo.com/) told me that if people didn't purge I should blow snuff for them to help.  But I don't know if that is an indigenous practice as well or if it is more his adaptation (he's quite the inventive and well rounded healer in his own regard). 

For me if they don't purge after 10 minutes, I remove 2 old dots and add 2 fresh dots.  If they don't purge after that within 5 minutes (in reality thought they should almost purge ASAP after those 2 fresh dots if it's gonna work) then I give them 2 new burn marks and 2 new dots.  Only once have I had to do more than this to make them purge.  In this situation you almost can't take no for an answer and you just have to insist that they need to purge.  They will try to resist but from my experience if they don't purge there not happy in the end and also they try and lecture you that you should have made them purge.  So might as well learn from my experience and make sure they purge fully.

Kambogahuasca Panacea:
He recently updated his webpage and oddly enough it directly addresses your inquiry...

http://spiritofkambo.com/rape/


--- Quote ---Sacred tobacco takes another form known generally as rapé.

Rapé is the general name given to medicines that are grinded into fine powder and the blown into both nostrils or snorted. Most rapés are made with tobacco and other ingredients. All tribes that work with kambo uses at least one type of rapé. There are also very powerful and visionary medicines that can be considered rapé like yopo or virola which contain triptamines.

We have been working  exclusively with rapé from the yawanawa tribe that is prepared with lots of prayers, respect and lots of focused attention and intention to be a helpful medicine. This medicine is composed by sacred tobacco and the ashes of a tree known as tsunú, which is consider to be one of the most used trees as remedy for many ailments.

This is not to be taken recreationaly but with purpose.

We often offer and recommend rapé during kambo ceremony in different ocassions, in order to triggger or deepen the purge and exit of all the toxins that the organs are releasing when is not happening by itself, we also offer it when we think  there is more to purge  and in smaller doses when the person is still a bit “out” after the ceremony.

Rapé can help in many ways and the spirit of this grandafather assists us in helping us move the energy that is blocked or when we feel stuck during ceremony with kambo and with ayahuasca.

We personally use it in every ceremony to use the force that the medicine gives helping us to hold the space for our brothers and sisters who are receiving it.
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plantbuddhist:
Giovanni wants people to purge ASAP. On more than one occasion he has suggested that I stick my fingers down my throat to get the purging started even though each time, I knew instinctively that I was going to purge so just shook my head and waited. Its never taken me more than 3-4 mins but for him that's almost too long a time to wait.

Another tip is to have the person continue to drink lukewarm water after the kambo has been applied. Just a full mouthful at a time is usually sufficient to help things along.

Xochipilli:
Thanks Kampum. I tried using Tsune based Hop-A just after applying kambo, and noticed I had a more intense need to purge than usual. It also made the process more pleasant.

I noticed Giovanni rushes the purge too. Its a bad idea in my opinion, because it takes some time for the toxins to be released into the stomach and intestines, so if you purge before that happens, you'll have trouble getting it all out. I'll ask him about this at some point.

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