We live in difficult times, a lots of information but at the same time a lots of ideology, or unchecked throughts:

vegetarianism:

- actually is deeply polemic, as far as I know it comes from buddhism and then it spread to hinduism, and now it is practiced ONLY in India...
- there are many societies that eat meat only and are totally healthy Masais, Esquimos...
- meat eating became sign of sickness
- Indian vegetarian diet is very greasy, and not very healthy.
- somehow this complicated relationship West as unhealthy, East as healthy, as a product we have statements like I just read on al Jazeera on unhealthy american diet and it states Coca Cola and hamburger? But why is hamburger actually unhealthy? On the contrary: french and fries and Coka Cola IS  unhealthy, but beef is actually not, yet on a vegeratian diet one may end up eating fries and Coka Cola...
- vegetarianism leads to cravings which end up being eased by eating starchy and sugary foods.

- eating fat and protein with no Sugars can be much healther then veg. diets...

this is just one piece of my 35 years diet experiements...

Jox

Hi all,

a member of the forum Hip, who also has CFS, has asked me few questions regarding Kambo and CFS/FM/ME. I am more then glad to answer the questions, since so far I haven't find any interest for the topic. I have put in the title FM and ME in hope that in search engines will pick it up, so some can benefit form this info.

Hip aks:
Incidentally, when you first started taking kambo, how long did it take before you started feeling better, and your CFS symptoms started going? From what I read  in your threads, it was a matter of a week or two. Is that right? Did you go from bedbound to heathy in a week or so?

Actually yes, I would say that it took two treatments, two weeks to get out of bed.  But over all this is how it looks:

DAY OF TREATMENT
I do the treatment in the morning, and generally, and especially the first day I am in terrible pain, I take some pain killers Metamizol Sodico, not avilable in the USA, but here is over the counter, it is many times stornger than Advil. This night sleep is OK, or same as before.

DAY 2
It is difficult too, the more points I do, the more difficult it is, so I don't plan anyting for the following day. This night sleep is WORST, even with same meds, and I take very strong meds,  It takes me two hours to get to sleep, and I tend to wake up. (which in never the case when not on Kambo)

DAY 3
The third day you start to feel much better. I can do 35% more activity then normally.

DAY 4
I feel really good. Sleep goes to normal, or standard I would say...

DAY 5
As good as 4

DAY 6
The symptoms seem to creep in again: more blurry vision, body odor increases, overall pain increases, the sinus problem is back, and the afternoon fatigue is stronger, I sweat for no reason, my feet and hands get cold, even when very warm outside, and my lymph nodes start acting up, and my Irritable bowel syndrome gets back again (IBS) stronger ....

and guess what?        I am ready for the new treatment.... DAY 7... lol ... and it has been the case ever since last April 2010.

Over all my partner says that I have less down days then usual.  He sees my face "drops", and I look tired and angry, he says I have much less days like that.  So it is not like addiction situation, since I do progress over all a lot.

I just want to say that sometimes I do even do it two times a week. Any viral condition in my case gets worst, like a common cold, intestinal infection, or a flu... then I would do more often...

Has your sleep got better from the kambo treatment?

Actually NO, it only does if I add Caapi to it, 3 days after. If I do it the following day... that night I can't sleep at all, and it doesn't feel right, It has to be 3 days after Kambo to induce deep naps in the afternoon: I have to say I NEVER HAVE GONE TO SLEEP WITHOUT THE MEDS FOR 25 YEARS, any kind of sleep.... so in my case this is revolutionary...


Hip asks:
Did your other CFS symptoms improve from kambo too? Typical CFS symptoms are: memory problems and forgetfulness, brain fog, noise or light sensitivity, anxiety/depression. Did you have these, and if so, did these symptoms all improve or disappear on kambo?

I don't have: noise or light sensitivity, anxiety/depression, but I do have a pain in the eyes, and blurry vision (this symptom decreases a lot, and then it does come back), as well as brain fog. I especially get it in the afternoon, I almost don't get it at all...


More then anyting I don't want to make false expectations. It did take me 2 weeks to get out of the bed, but I had been in bed by then some 2 months, which would have happened by that time. It could have been one month more though. But I would say it cuts my bed time in half I would say.  In past few years I have 2-3 months of bed time 2 times a year, which is already good for me, since since 2001 to 2006 I was bed bound, so I got better on my own body forces (which is already good for me), but now with Kambo, the change is "magical".

I think I am one of the worst cases, I am on disability, but others who work, either part or full time will get full health with few treatments with no doubt.

I am eager to see some of us CFS use the treatment.

good luck
Jox

Hi Hip,

thank you to attributing to the conversation, I have hard time finding anyone on CFS/FM forums to be interested in treatments that are helping me so much.

You are right:

Am I right in understanding that, with your kambo treatment, you changed from being a bedbound CFS patient, that presumably was too deeply fatigued to get out of bed for most of the day, to a much healthier person that was able to go out of the house, and go about their normal daily business with only relatively minor symptoms and relatively minor fatigue levels?

Is that a fair and correct description of the improvements you attained from kambo?

Yes, this is right. and I was not aware of this compound, I will do some more research on it. Yet it sounds like a dangerous drug, next to Kambo that so far has been totally safe in my case.

But I will ask you another thing. There is another benefit in doing Kambo + Banisteriopsis caapi, not at the same time though, first Kambo, then 2 days later, 100mg of Aya (no huasca).

What happened next was that I had spontaneous naps of 2 hours... This has been even more surprise to me. I could bring down my prescription sleep medications... Unfortunately, I have $ for the moment, but soon I will investigate this strange thing that happens. In my case I haven't been able to get any sleep of any kind without the medicine, in past 20 years, so this is even more revolutionary thing.

If you have any thoughts on this it will be appreciated, In this case however I would be interested to take MAOI, as prescritpion meds... since Aya is just a little to laborious to microdose, and expansive, yet for now I will stick to it.

btw, have you tried Kambo for CFS?

take care Jox

Hi other1,

what comes to my mind is:

why don't you find a MD doctor who can work with Ibogaine too.  Is it legal in NZealand? If not then it may be a problem, but a psychiatrist who is not afraid to jeopardise his carrear is hard to find, or impossible... Just a thought.

Yet on the other hand I know how important medicine is for my friends with mental health problems I can see the confusion it may cause if you decide to drop it...

take care
Jox

LOL.....

thank you Kambogahuasca Panacea for directing to eboka.info. I was confused how did it got to Eboka forum, now I understand.

Yes I do hav HSV-2 that I got in 2001, and on the face. That's when I got the sickest you can even imagine. I saw your link http://herpes-coldsores.com/ and I am glade to post my hell of life there. As a kid I did have mononucleosis, which is Epstein-Barr virus, which is herpes HHS-4.  This is the first "assosiation" virus found to CFS/MF. Yet now there is also this virus Coxsackie A virus, so in general I think this is some "post viral condition".

Doctors say they have "hard time" diagnosing CFS/FM. They have no clue, to me it takes me less then few questions to diagnose if yes or no. Even worst, doctors add this diagnosis next to 5 other... this is not the case, this condition is very specific, and more debilitating then any other I know of that is not leading to death.  We live like human corpses...

Yet it really doesn't matter the virus tests, what good does it do if you know you have HS2 IGM that is above what can be counted... I was on acyclovir for years...

Psicologicaly is nice to have to point out, HA THIS IS THE ONE, but most population have those, and live totally normal life.

Anyway I do Kambo weekly, soon I will post my protocol, and I couldn't ask for more. I am yet to discover the interaction of Aya-huasca, or Caapi in particular, that makes me take naps naturally, which for me is totally impossible. I will spend few months working on this to see what is all about, it is not clear to me...


Nobody has interest in this, I posted in two CFS/FM forums and nobody had interest in Kambo.... I don't feel like crying of my condition, I prefer fighting it, no matter what, so I will post no more there.

take care
Jox

My lord every time you post it is like a brand new revelation which rattles my previous conceptions.  Makes the Nexus seem like elementary school. 

Hey Kambogahuasca Panacea, I am cracking up on this.... I felt the same way. I was reading the links Peacefull Warrior put, and it felt like phd in molecular biology, which is my family business( my mother, and 3 cousins), (not me of course).  And I just wonder if they could make any sense of it... or its just US....lol...

Jox

Hi all,

my thread went in a different direction but very interesting one. I wonder if it could be explored in a new thread.

in this thread by the end the discussion I am interested starts:
http://kambo.me/smf/index.php?topic=153.0

One of my main porblems with CFS, is the sleep. After physical stress, my body doesn't sleep. Nothing made it better, yet just two weeks ago something happened:

I did Kambo on Sunday and then Caapi 100mg brew on Wednesday. For a week I could take naps. For me that hasn't happened in 25 years.

I got confused, didn't know what caused it, it was not Kambo, because I did it for 6 months and it didn't produce sleep. If I do Caapi alone it doesn't produce sleep either.

Yet in a thread, I mentioned Peaceful Warrior, talks about blue lotus and dopamine interruptions.

Yet on Wiki I found out:

Dopamine is directly broken down into inactive metabolites by two enzymes, monoamine oxidase (MAO) and catechol-O-methyl transferase (COMT). It is equally metabolized by the two respective isoforms of MAO, MAO-A and MAO-B.

So in other words, MAOI, or Caapi, INCREASES the dopamine (?).

then on :
http://library.thinkquest.org/13561/english/physical.html

Dopamine is located adjacent to where Endorphin is released in the brain. And so there is a link, so that when Dopamine function declines, so does Endorphin function. Endorphins regulate pain. And so, pain increases when stress causes the Dopamine function to fail.

What would be connection with Kambo and Caapi to cause the sleep?

It seems that Blue Lotus does exactly the opposite, right? it suppresses the dopamine.

Any ideas?

I am just brain storming, but I am onto something very important for my health, so I guess I would have to practice with all this plants and Kambo to see what will do it.

Jox