Thanks for your reply mudhen.

Since my post I've done a few sessions and more or less managed to pull it off. First of all I made sure my position to the person being treated and how it was situated in the room. Next I used smoke for purification, white sage and ofcourse palo santo. But I also offered my prayer to the spirits of kambo for their guidance, that all energies would be able to follow their natural path without any blocking. I do see energies often. They sometimes look like tiny specks moving around people, other times some sort of blobs. In the forest I once saw white cloudy entities flying around. This has progressively become more apparant over time.

So it was symbolic action indeed. Though it went well when giving it to others. Last time I did it on myself I got a very bad trip afterward. That night I laid down in bed and had a sort of convulsion, physical fear. My kidneys squeezed and I was shocking for hours on end. Seemed that I either had contracted some kind of entitiy of otherwise released something that gave this terrible reaction. For days after I didn't want to be awake, just be asleep for as long as possible. Being awake was so confronting with this fear thing. Now a few weeks later I'm slowly recovering. But what happened there is still a bit a mystery.

Yet to protect myself when giving to someone else, I managed. Now I need to learn how to protect myself when giving to myself...

It's coming now, got 3 people for treatment. Still there's much too learn. If I read my own post it's so obvious that I totally miss my own intent by the way I put it.

A second try then to state my question. That I don't know how to deal with the purged energies. Somehow it's my own fault though, I attract them like they're my problem. But they're from someone else.

To ask for protection also doesn't seem the way to go. Better to insure I am out of the path of these energies. It is the natural way these find they're way back to the earth or otherwise be absorbed into the flow of energies.

That I place myself in their way, by a lack of understanding from my part or misguided attitude, is what I wish to adress and change.

One thing I have recognized is to give myself the last treatment so any energy that came in will be purged out.

How do you see this? Hope my question is clear...

Some years before I started to do kambo it happened that I got stung in my throat by a wasp. In the soft spot between the collar bones it stung me, while I was doing a yoga pose (wheel pose). Being in a yoga session doing this asana almost at the end, it didn't even hurt and afterward there wasn't even a trace of the sting.

Kambo without purging happened to me in the beginning a few times. Most of these were due to not enough dots, or not rubbing the skin layer away well enough. Dots should appear as pinkish white spots after burning and rubbing, which means that the layer of skin has been rubbed away. This makes a lot of difference.

Another thing is drinking enough water. When you get close to gulping down 2 liters, the sensation of wanting to throw it all up becomes very acute. If you don't get this, maybe drink some more water?

Besides that it still can happen that a purge stays absent. One of the things I learned was that once you get accustomed to kambo and have purged on it a few times, you get a sort of association between applying the kambo and vomiting shortly after. Nowadays vomiting follows naturally after applying the dots.

It brings great relief once you start purging. Actually it's the only desire on my mind when the kambo kicks in, to throw it all up  . I also keep some water during the purge, when vomiting becomes strained, the sensation you're stomach is running empty, I quickly empty another cup of water to keep on purging...

Hope this may be of some help...

Been reading through this thread and although I assume the concept is simple yet I do not fully understand. At least, I read that mambe is a snuff, correct? A snuff made out of coca flour and a base and next to pharm bica salts, traditional use is with ashes of tabacco?

Coca flour is easier to obtain than leaves and have been using it for a time now. Thought I was addicted, but in the end it wasn't even difficult to stay away. The green leaf goes very well with my constitution. Though holding coca flour with bica in the mouth seems to be detrimental to the gums, possibly due to the scouring effect.

Instead I now use it as a tosh and wash, so a little teaspoon with powder and 25% bica washed down with some water. That way all nutrients will be absorbed. Very agreeable way of using it.

About burned mouths, stay away from water! It's best to use acid to neutralize, for instance apple vinegar. I know from experience, have burned my mouth as well and washed it using water. Don't. That's why I prefer to use a not too strong base. 

Been a while and though this topic goes a little beyond kambo itself, the relevancy is there. Healing is a multi facetted experience and the path is selfdiscovery through and through. So here a little addendum to this somewhat remarkable journey into healing and such.

My shoulder impingement is still there. Damaged foot as well and added to it are inflammations in the wrist on one side and a lot of stomach troubles. For my foot I've been in a MRI scan and additional xrays. Nothing to be found at all. So the conclusion was that hypothetically a nerve ending could be damaged, but besides this idea, there is no clue of any affliction at all. For my shoulder pains as well.

Though it went somewhat to the background. I got very disturbing gutproblems. Thunder and clattering of water all day long and a big swollen belly. Did the parasite cleanse, one, twice and double strength to no avail. Then I did H2O2 and built that up, also to no avail. A deep mystery what could possibly cause all this trouble.

Could it be that I imagined it all? My foot hurst when I walk for a while. My shoulder when I lift the arm it past horizontal. My guy is visibly swollen. So how could this possibly be imagination. Another idea is that it's all caused psychically. That somehow my subconscious initiates all this inflammations and troubles because of a deep seated conviction.

Anyway I know now that diet is well enough to allow healing. Also that I refrain from all possible influences that could block healing. Next I imprint the subconscious with the message of being healed and having protection. To extent it even further I visit nature as often as possible and have reduced social contact to the absolute minimum reduce all possibility of influence.

From that I came to conclude that the most aggressive invading force to deter healing, block nutritional absorbtion and provoke bad luck aka panema is stress. Stress from living a dense packed country with people all around and little nature around. The stress wreaks havoc energetically and this damage has to be restored bottom up by the physical body and this depletes it reserves enormously. Next to that it becomes entangled in a negative feedback loop. More stress > more bad energy > less healing > less physical reserves.

Through all effort to raise consciousness and attain spiritual awareness and due to inherent causes, my sensitivity is so acute that this energy issue with a dense packed country of people and less nature, is so deeply felt that stress is everywhere. Right now I am unable to do much just because of the stress levels. On top of that the law of attraction is active very much. May it be my sensitivity or not. The thing is that when I experience stress, I encounter situations that conform with that and these situations give even more stress. More stress leads to subconscious convictions that are further attraction these vibes and so here again a very difficult entanglement occurs.

Irony is that even daily visits into nature causes stress, because it's out of balance and it's swarming with very tiny disease transmitting skin parasites. Having to search yourself for at least an hour after each visit and finding them again and again is as well very stressful. So that in the end it's like you're caught in your worst nightmare. And here too the laws of attraction might prevail.

The only mercy or compassion is that of myself toward it. Ideas of being punished with this life for example, they are to be met with compassion. Instead it's vitally important to impart messages of being healed despite the nightmare. Being healed under most dire circumstances.

Now I didn't mentioned the cell towers, but they are a source of disturbance as well. In a nutshell I would dramatically advice anyone to stay away from west european countries, especially the small and dense populated ones. The best course of action for residents there would be leave these regions and never come back...

Have been waiting for kambo a while now. As you might summarize the frog is too much right now. I would do it, but would have to pay for it. Becoming more attuned to a nature that's very disturbed itself is as damaging as being attuned to a society that is a living disease. The only attuning I can make is to the heavens, deep earth and far ancestors. Faith is neccessary as well as scientific method in proceeding...

Well I have been tested on B12 and it was within normal levels. This I can fairly certain rule out for now. My level is right in the middle at 344 pmol/l where the range is between 150 and 700.

But vitamin D3 is just as bad when you have levels to low, cholecalicferol as it's called is needed for absorption of calcium. Now there are probably other compounds as well, but tests are limited so that all I get. Vitamin D3 I supplement with fermented cod liver oil. I'm also going to try skate liver oil as well. but will wait a while with that.

Another thing may be parasites. I tested negatively on bowel parasites, but my general physician admitted that these test are also very limited and only test for the most common parasites and do not detect liver parasites for instance. So I'm doing this parasite cleanse program, easy to find just search on it. This does gives an improvement in that thusfar I haven't been woken at night feeling terribly nauseaus and puking subsequently. So I still may be infected and am treating this right now.

But I come to believe there are no singular causes if in general health declines and issues refuse to heal. The body will always attempt to heal itself no matter the situation, so interpret having a non healing foot, shoulder and beginning inflammations in other joints as a sign the body has more urgent matters to attend to first. The only thing I can do is take away all possibilites that diminish the natural ability to heal, such as bad food or exposure to excessive levels of stress etc. Though not all are controllable.

I'm about to cut off the plaster on my leg cause it doesn't seem have any effect. It's just that cutting it off is like admitting it's not going to heal. When it is not going to heal I am unable to do travels, something I desire very much and never have been able too. But still keeping it on is like acting against better judgement...

Yesterday I hit the bucket so hard with kambo I nearly passed out. Did 2 rounds of 10 dots and while round 1 was just intense blie vomiting, round 2 was like a high pressure vomit burst. Wow, I almost passed out while vomiting so really hard... Felt very tired afterward and had to take rest the rest of the day...