Frankly I’m a little surprised to see such a question here from a ‘practitioner’. This is a forum for sharing ‘ideas’ not a teaching platform. No credible practitioner would either ask this or answer this or follow advice given here.

This is a potentially unsafe situation that would usually be discussed with a teacher or mentor. If you need to post here then probably you don’t have one of these so I’d guess you are not a trained practitioner and if you don’t know what to do, clearly you shouldn’t be doing it.
 
There are several practitioners already working outside the traditional rainforest environment and we already share experience and advise each other but we do not give advice to untrained people on how to use Kambo on other people especially people with serious health issues and especially not on online public forums.


Apologies if this sounds harsh but it’s dangerous and irresponsible. If an accident were to occur, the authorities would easily find their way back to the advising practitioner and they would be held responsible. Whilst I’m happy to take responsibility for my own work and even for my students work, I would not be prepared to take responsibility for the work of an untrained person – please think about what you’re doing – no one should die from Kambo but it will happen soon enough if people don’t treat this medicine with more respect.

I’m pleased to see that your post has gone unanswered – and for a good reason.

For sure Kampum, not my style either - the indigenous have a more casual approach sometimes - they often leave someone after just a few minutes - I have experienced this myself with different tribes too. It can be a bit scary especially at the beginning. Now its fine though but you're right - I never leave someone until they are through and resting. In circles, everyone rests and then we eat together afterwards so I always know that everyone is fine before they leave.


As for my young man who had a massive reaction... he had zero pre-existing health problems - I always check!
He presented as a picture of health. Aged 28, tall, athletic and never had any health problems ever. He works out regular, eats well, doesn't smoke and had no allergies. He had come to Kambo out of curiosity and more to accompany his girlfriend than any personal pressing reason. For some reason my intuition went into overdrive and I got a message to go slowly with him. I put on one point to test his sensitivity and within less than 30 seconds, his throat swelled completely closed.  He was basically suffocating - it was pretty dramatic! I removed the point and washed the area with water and administered basic first aid (something all practitioners should know) and used a special 'opening the throat'  breathing technique to keep him breathing until it wore off.

Not typical but it just goes to show how careful you need to be.

I think fainting is just blood pressure - I've always let people faint - usually when they're on the floor, their blood pressure rises and they come round. Most people are not even aware that they fainted and many say that they didn't - that they could hear everything going on around them.

The only time I rouse people is if I think they're going past the window of opportunity for purging - then I'll get them to sit up and purge - palo santo, rape', rattle work, warm water - whatever it takes!

There are two points that I use. Functional 11 acupuncture points, Insomnia Points 1 and 2

Check out the positioning of them here

http://www.yinyanghouse.com/theory/traditional-chinese-medicine/auricular-points-tcm-diagnostic-pattern

Take a deep breath before the burn on the ears - they sting!!

Here is our final schedule for Kambo sessions in the USA 2013. Email kamboamerica@yahoo.com for booking and more info.

NYC – 14th June and15th June
ICEC Connecticut - 17th -20th June
Ashville, NC - 23rd-25th June
Gainesville, Florida – 28th June -1st July:
Santa Cruz – 6th, 7th and 8thJuly
Los Angeles 11th - 14th July

Hi both

I'm not putting them in the same category. Hip is correct in that i'm simply saying that I want to track these conditions because they are the top three that I come across in my work. I always ask questions about duration and symptoms to try and establish exactly what is happening to someone.

Prior to kambo, I spent half my life working in mental health so I know only too well the difference between depression as a diagnosable condition and depression that comes from dealing with chronic pain on a daily basis. Even depression itself can be categorised in many different ways.

You're quite right that they are not in the same category - maybe I wasn't clear enough.

I always try to differentiate between true CFS and post viral fatigue and the many other causes of fatigue like stress etc and I use  6 -9 months plus as a marker of this.

Anyhow, I appreciate you pulling me up on this guys. The more info I have, the better I can work, so thanks!

Apologies to have taken so long to respond - travelling and working and little time for internet these days so please bear with me.

Galega

You're right Hip so I've started asking people with CFS, ME or Depression to fill in a questionnaire every three months for me. I'm gonna focus on those for the moment as they're the most common issues that I come across and I seriously don't have the time to do more yet.

Thank you for showing me the way on this one.

Yes, you may be right about why Kambo makes CFS patients worse but then you need to add into that paradigm the fact that Kambo actually increases energy levels fairly fast in most people. I don't know the answer to this one. It's my intention, when I get time and some technical help to put together an anonymous online system for recording outcomes for Kambo users so maybe we will be able to see clearer patterns emerging in the future.

Thanks for the info about measurement scales. These are really usefull. I think its difficult to say how many steps a person would improve as a general statement because everyone is individual and responds differently but I would want to see someone that I was treating move 4-6 steps up your scale over the period of a year. I've certainly seen that in a few cases. Certainly there will be some corelation between where you start and how far you can go in that timeframe.  And, this is a long term thing. If you are at the top end of the scale you need to be prepared to commit to a year or even more of treatment before you can settle into a routine 2-3 monthly treatment.  You also need to be aware of what you're doing in terms of how much, how often and where you place it. These can all make a huge difference, as can the level of drive and desire to recover. This is something that I look at with the person and we put together a treatment protocol that they can go on with in my absence.  In this situation, I like to do the first 3-4 treatments and then, where appropriate, teach self application so that the person takes over responsibility for their own treatment but uses the plan that we have agreed. I then follow up with them and we make whatever adjustments we need to along the way. I work like this because I'm usually not in one location for more than a few months at a time and the cost is prohibitive for most people anyway.