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you have to read this entire explanation in full before you attempt any part of it individually. i will and or any and all users have my full permission to re-organize what i have typed out here and put it in number steps for user ease.

well one really effective method i used (and i did this to learn languages that are never spoken from mouths, not to see meridians that was a side effect) was to start off by using an essential oil high in pinene like balsam fir needle oil, or pine needle oil, these will lower the pain threshold considerably if taken and wait 5 minutes and taken again both times topically, then after another 2 minutes add a drop of peppermint oil (warning this all needs to be on the same point and it must be near the end of the extremity (between elbow and wrist closer to wrist but not to close, same for legs, it must be on lighter skin, not the red parts of the hand or foot, look for thin skin.)

now tap this point 10 times gently with your pointer finger, then wait 30 seconds breathing slowly (7 seconds in nose normal pace, 11 seconds as effortlessly as you can out mouth with the intention to continue to do the exhale better and better with less and less effort, like when you fall asleep how the exhale just falls out of your body) then after 30 seconds or so of this another 10 taps to that point you applied the oils, do this 10 times repeatedly, then after you finish the 10th time hold your finger gently on the point and continue this breathing practice for another 10 counts of the 7in11out breaths, during this 10 counts of breathing focus on how the point feels, and how other parts of your body feel similar, witch parts feel similar? follow the feelings casually, gently, don't dig for meaning to fast, now imagine if your whole body was dying of deep penetrating cold, then imagine how the sensation of heat could be a gigantic relief from this cold, now do 10 more taps on the point, then 30 seconds breathing, then gently rub the point clockwise and counter clockwise and right after that press low-medium palpation's on the point with pressure not to forceful in rhythm of: press 1 press, 1 2 3, press 1 press, that is 4 palpation's with a 1 second break in between each and a 3 second break in between the 2 pairs, relax the limb that is being pressed on entirely, control the other parts of your body and forget that limb wile you are pressing or rubbing it, forgetting the limb temporarily will allow the muscle tension across that limb to relax so your rubbing and palpating can reach the meridian points, many of witch can be underneath muscles, now right after having made those 4 harder palpation's you need to gently rub the location clockwise and counterclockwise wile forgetting the limb your pressing into, now relax, place your index finger on that point and forget your entire body and focus very casually on allowing any feeling that arises in that point to be accepted into your deepest core reality you can start with simply letting whatever feeling arises penetrate all of your body and sense of self.

now observe casually without any actual intention how this feels.

this is not even the first level.

do this everyday for a week, at the end of this week on a day you have not done this yet, light the thin tip of a chop stick on fire gently rotate it 360 on its side so the heat distributes evenly, then gently in a quick puff out the flame for a nice even ember, and hold it 1-2 mm away from the point you have been working on now, go back to the full body death-icy feeling and begin to identify the heat you will feel at this point as a relief from this cold, now start to move the stick in 1-3 mm sized circle EXTREMELY slowly and very gently (lots of time practice without fire steady the hand) circle maybe 1 mm around the rim of the actual point itself, start EXTREMELY slow and as you circle have the stick come slightly closer to the skin each circle, the trick is to see how close to your actual skins surface you can come without actually contacting the skin with the stick or the ember on the end of it if you hold the stick so it runs parallel to the skin, the burn will probably be more overwhelming and harder to learn the language because you will overload your endorphin receptors to fast and crash the circle of endogenous up-regulation your attempting to create. start small, work your way up.  this is why i have the stick make a T when it comes to my skin surface ware the top lien in the T is the skin and the line going up and down in the T is the chop stick, again, do not contact your skin the goal is to not touch you skin with the ember, if you touch the skin with your ember, its not bad, but it is not the purpose of this exercise and will lead you in a partially different path than what is being shared here, you can do both paths, its just there is no need to do both at the exact same time the first time, try them each individually a week apart, then together in small amounts, ware the 2 paths are ember touching and ember not touching, i like both very much, but for the purpose of learning and distinguishing the two, it is much easier to practice them each separately with much time between to return as much feeling to the area as possible so you can feel out all the subtle layers of difference the two have.

"with much time between to return as much feeling to the area"

that's right, in order to reach the deeper thresholds of pain, you need to do a series of waves of circling with a few minute breaks in between to recuperate and after a wile, it becomes almost entirely mental pain and the limb basically feels no pain (especially the point itself), once you reach a deep enough threshold of pain, your perception will start to shear away and be replaced by what i like to call "seeing pain" after a wile its even with your eyes closed, you can still see the meridians, at first it will be for only a second or two as the pain is so absolutely all breaking you literally usually get ejected from this domain by the parts of yourself you have not properly aligned with this pain yet.
   

the goal here is to learn how to basically drink the heat the ember is producing by having it increase the tissue and blood temperature of the point and surrounding area, thus allow the rest of the body to slightly lower its countless systems efforts in keeping the blood and tissues to a particular temperature because blood with a heightened temperature is being flooded from the point into the rest of your body, increasing the overall efficiency of the system,

thank you so much for your words of guidance you gave just the right amount of push thank you so much !

you should put mine as something else, i never did 3 kambo sessions in a short period (i was under the impression this was what initiation was) there is no reason for me to have that title if i have not been initiated.

unless you considered the time i did papa kambo papa a initiation, i was not sure ware it fell in regards to initiation and had always assumed it was a practice you had shared from the natives that was neither above nor below initiation but just something slight different.

encase it was not clear on herbsmax i have taken experimental vitamins in hopes of doing good in the world and i have brain damage as a result, so everything i have said in the past months should be taken with an extra extra grain of salt.

we have been treating the entity of learning like an object unworthy of the respect we give to living things, to be used in any way shape or form we wish.

and this is horribly horribly wrong, learning may leave if we don't treat it with respect, then we will be monkeys again, just eating fruit, picking ticks.

taurine can do a lot of good to some people in some circumstances at some times.

make sure you do not take it with any sort of regularity.

every person has a different composition, what is a cure for you could be a poison for the next.

thank you Kampum for your input, i am sure it will help to grant perspective to those having trouble understanding my actions.

first off every time i keep something from you, its because its for your protection, if i just open the bag and spill all the secrets what will be left for you to do in your life? the secrets are to be found, not all given away in massive lumbering unthinking heaps, i am leaving as many opportunities for others to grow and learn as possible these days, out of extreme empathy for the ignorance others can carry, you wont know what can hurt you till your hand is GONE if i just went haphazardly saying what i want, this world would end before you even got the chance to notice you had a life still to livePEROID

you all need to STEP BACK think and think some more, do you REALLY think you are the only ones reading these posts? do you really think various technological groups would not be recording this for their personal gain without comprehension of the ENERGETIC TIES saturating every fiber of what is being shared? even these ones who watch beyond our perception, we must protect even them from themselves.


ONCE YOU KNOW IT YOU CANT UN-KNOW IT
clear enough?

Kampum says great truth in his words

DIAMONDS WRITTEN TO PAPER, CHERISH IT

"I personally see no issues with advancing techniques, nor do I see it as disrespectful to the indigenous people.  I had an Iboga vision about 2 months ago that showed me all the indigenous plagues they have afflicted on themselves (not to mention what others have done to them), and that opened my views up quite a bit that they don't have everything right all the time."

DIAMONDS

"Of course it would work, and possible be an improvement.  I only tried it without doing the burns and whether it was all in my head or not, I thought I received bad luck from that experiment"

THIS this this, bad luck is hard to get rid of, i am trying to help people keep from hurting themselves or causing unneeded pain to themselves, and those watching and those who will take up what has been shared in the future who may never know of the methods that prevent increased accumulation of bad luck.

" But the burns I think would give permission to do this technique"

this is partially true in my experience, the way the water allows kambo to do its work unhindered by the heavy human form is very much a parallel to how burns allow the frogs disease to be dealt with, if you drink lots of PLANNED slow CONSISTENT over time water intake many hours (small amounts consistently over large periods of time) and days leading up to kambo use it has a profoundly more powerful effect and a light and day (for me) difference in its ability to do what it is there to do with as little undue strain on the human system as possible.

the people posting about pepeprmint oil, clove oil, and vitamin B12 this is good stuff, just remember B12 will do great help (look for organic food sources over synthetic, if possible), the others will make the water murky with mud that you don't have a deep relationship with, and if you are not able to ask kambo a question yet, then what makes you think you will be better able to notice who is saying what once you make the waters more murky with different colored mud you have an even less of a deep relationship with?

the problem here is, once you introduce these methods of increasing transportation, it gets transported to zones that have no burn, THIS IS THE PROBLEM, if you were to have a compound that you knew could only travel through this or that type of tissue and you could KNOW ware it will make the kambo go, then we could move forth with much less constraint of safety.

but the problem is things like peppermint oil and clove oil will basically allow kambo to leap frog its way deep into body parts far from the location of application, and these other locations are extremely unlikely to have fresh burns that would surge the needed peptides to the location to help transform what could be frogs disease into the healing benefits.

in short, more burns, more water, more science, less "your being an elitist because your not spoon feeding me into a coma"

like seriously guys Kampum and others really need to jump on one another and try as much as possible to keep me from making posts, the more things i have to explain the more pain you will be FORCE FED, and the closer human beings come to living inside a hornets nest, do you understand what i am saying yet? every time you ask me to share something, you lose more than you could possibly begin to imagine, and one day, there will be nothing left, not even your body and the things beyond that, all CAN be lost, only your PATIENCE can make the diffidence between you learning and you losing EVERYTHING YOU THOUGHT YOU HAD AND MORE.

ok now i have a very deep relationship with peppermint oil, and i can tell you first off that you might be better of just taking 1 drop sublingually with some olive oil (and spitting it out after a few minutes until you have a long deep relationship with peppermint) the day before or many hours prior to kambo and this would dramatically increase the healing benefits of kambo, using it to help absorption might not be its most ideal function in this matter. the closer you dose kambo to peppermint oil, the scarier you can expect shit to get and the less resources you can expect to have available to deal with the terror.

Ok, I’m not getting any straight answers to my question.
I obviously was not clear enough in my posts. Let me explain.
Apart from the personal use of kambo for the treatment of my diseases I became interested in the use of it to fight cancer 
I’m very interested in the treatment of cancer.
A little explanation of the physical part of the disease.
For those of you who do not know, there are microbes involved in every form of cancer, so called pleomorphic microbes. They are found inside the cancer cells and are the cause of the cancerous degeneration of the cells.
Some alternative treatments of cancer focus on destroying these microbes. The hard part is to get the medicine inside the cells and this is where dmso comes in.
One of the extraordinary properties of dmso is that it specifically targets cancer cells and delivers the attached medicine right where it should be, right into the cancer cells. And kambo would be, I think, a superb medicine for this job.

I got very disappointed when I read about the virus dangers and I wondered if there could a solution to this problem because to my opinion the kambo/dmso treatment might have great potential  in the case of cancer. (I was by the way very surprised and found it hard to believe that a virus could survive in the vicinity of kambo.)

The reason I started this topic here is to exchange thoughts, ideas with you guys as to the possibilities of eliminating the danger of frog’s disease.

"Ok, I’m not getting any straight answers to my question."

you did not ask the frog personally, this is why you remain without solution, perhaps you have not realized the medicine your dealing with is ALIVE even after it enters your body.

"The reason I started this topic here is to exchange thoughts, ideas with you guys as to the possibilities of eliminating the danger of frog’s disease."

read the WHOLE forum there is a thread about that already that addresses your question.

if you want to use kambo to fight cancer, then you should start by learning the meridian channels, the points on them, how each organ is tied into them, and how they interact with one another, Kampum has many extremely valuable threads on this forum i feel you have ignored as these questions you pose are not even questions to me but simply a lack of reading the forum, the answers are here, read.

its almost as if you literally don't think kambo has a say in what it wants to cooperate with and not.

the actual practice of kambo is an extremely complex science/art/other your looking at this with 1 set of eyes, and that is the entire problem your having, the natives are so far advanced they have blended the science/art inside out on multiple levels that most of us don't even think to consider.

the natives stick to a strict method of use of kambo, the ones who use other methods and acquire frogs disease, i would imagine these are people who do a very large lifetime number of kambo ceremonies, and the taking part of non-standard practices is considered by them a very rare and dangerous practice that risks ones own life.

clear enough?