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Precautions / Sleeping after kambo
« on: September 27, 2012, 04:09:06 PM »
Every time I have done kambo so far, I had insomnia the following night, even when I just did it in the morning. I will be doing kambo and iboga for 6 days in a row with Giovanni Lattanzi and since I'm already having trouble with insomnia, I'm wondering what if I'll be able to sleep at all during those 6 days. Are there points where one will just fall asleep from exhaustion after doing kambo and/or iboga? I notice that while I'm on kambo I get so tired that I can barely sit up (while lying on the bathroom floor) to vomit in the toilet so I can see myself falling asleep during periods like that. I have yet to do iboga though and I will be starting with low doses (taking them in the evening) and increasing the dose each day. I'm hoping to do a flood dose on the last day but I don't know if Giovanni administers floods when he does this kind of therapy. I'm not worried about the insomnia that may follow because I can at least get one nights sleep by taking ambien or something but I won't take any benzo type drug during the 6 days because I've heard iboga induces anxiety if taken after doing benzos.

Journals / Ordeals / Re: Kambo for mild benzo PAWS
« on: September 23, 2012, 08:43:37 AM »
I had it wrong, the depression/dysphoria has been stronger than ever before this time. I'm fairly sure its phenibut that caused the problem, not the benzos. I'd been off xanax for 3 weeks and was feeling good every day, then I did phenibut for 2 days then had to take xanax again for a week because the phenibut caused some kind of paradoxical reaction. Since quitting the xanax this time, I've been depressed. The previous time I quit, I did kambo 3 times in 2 days. Maybe thats what I should have done this time. If I still have this depression by next weekend I'm going to use the rest of my kambo and see if it cures the depression, I should have at least 2 applications left.

Kambo & Rapé / Nu-Nu Snuff / Singado internasal tea / Re: Nu-nu
« on: September 18, 2012, 01:35:13 PM »
I know what you mean, I don't think they are hallucinations either, I just used that word because I have no other word for it. I lucid dream every night so I am pretty familiar with dream phenomena and the stuff I perceive in SP seem to be of a different nature. They are influenced by thoughts though, I'm sure of that. What they are, I have no idea. Maybe they are astral/etheric phenomena and that we are perceptive to them during that transition state between wake and sleep. Theres something very mysterious about sleep paralysis though, the body being paralysed is a normal thing that happens to everyone when they sleep at night but being fully aware of the process and getting temporarily stuck in that paralysis state and perceiving all kinds of strange things, thats abnormal. 

I suspect that dreams aren't the imaginary constructs of ones mind like the average Westerner believes these days either. I have experienced telepathy and psychic phenomena in both SP and dreams. In the film, Apocalypto theres a bit where he has a premonitory dream in which a mans holding his heart in his hand. I've observed things like this.

caiano: Words of wisdom. Its not easy to choose ones suffering due to the human instinct to avoid suffering but this is where philosophy comes in. When you see suffering for what it is, you have more than enough incentive to dive into it. Sacred plants/substances in my experience, are by far the best way to suffer intentionally because once you decide to do it, there is no backing out of it, the plant/substance will ensure that your original intent to suffer is fulfilled.

Application / Making bigger burns
« on: September 17, 2012, 12:15:21 PM »
In my first experience, I made 3 big burns but only ended up applying kambo to two of them. It was the only time that I saw psychedelic visuals during the experience so I'm guessing it was a strong one. Applying kambo to 5 small dots isn't much of an issue but I imagine it gets tricky if you have 10 or more dots to apply. I think if one wants a very powerful application, then big burns are the way to go. The scars from my first application are 1cm in diameter whereas the scars from my subsequent applications are 0.5cm in diameter. When applying many small dots, the effects come on well before you're finished applying but if you only have 3 dots to apply, you can get it done in about 10 seconds.

Kambo & Rapé / Nu-Nu Snuff / Singado internasal tea / Re: Nu-nu
« on: September 17, 2012, 11:58:58 AM »
Thats exactly what I was thinking when I read your reply involving SP. I was gonna start a thread on this but couldn't find the right forum so may as well just talk about it here as its relevant to nu-nu. You say it doesn't happen by will but do you know any triggers that might indirectly lead to it happening? I relax in SP always now. My SP used to be extremely intense, my whole body would vibrate violently and I'd be bombarded by hallucinations, now sometimes I don't even notice that I'm in SP until I go to move and realise I'm paralysed. 

When it happens, is there a silver cord that attaches your etheric double to your body? I read a good few accounts of people claiming to have astral traveled and they all say theres a silver cord. Interestingly, people with NDEs often claim to have similar experiences but there is no silver cord. My father has clinically died twice (once of a heroin OD, once in an intentional car crash) and he says after the car crash, he was floating above his body watching the doctors putting his eye back into his head and resuscitating him with the defibrillators. After I started taking xanax, I no longer get sleep paralysis regularly. I'm hoping that when this withdrawal has fully subsided, I'll start getting it again.

Do opiates make your SP episodes more frequent too?

lightswitchedon: I've had SP my whole life too so I gradually learned to be fearless and tough in it. When I just relax and go with the flow, its great fun. It gets insanely intense, kinda like a crazy hyperdimensional rollercoaster. Sleep paralysis is more of a fear thing than a pain thing though, its fear that you have to overcome, whereas with kambo its that intense feeling of malaise. Well, theres a lot more to sleep paralysis than that but pain isn't a big factor in it, the most painful hallucinations I ever really get is being jabbed in the back by jagged objects which is more agitating than painful. I hear SP is a good launch pad to leave your body but I haven't managed to do it yet. I've tried loads of times but each time, I just went into a lucid dream. I usually get SP 3 or 4 times a week but if I fall asleep on opiates, I am 100% guaranteed to get sleep paralysis. Interestingly, its the other way around with some people. Benzos make me immune to SP so I strongly suspect its related to GABA. Opiates inhibit the release of GABA. I really want to learn how to make my etheric double separate like you described but I won't derail this thread into a sleep paralysis thread so I'll start another thread for it in an appropriate forum.

I start enjoying the kambo experience after about 10 minutes, its when it first kicks in that I go into survival mode. After that it starts getting enjoyable. Lying on the ground pouring sweat as I start feeling better and better by the minute, I like that part. I have never had a hardcore opioid withdrawal, I doubt I've ever had suffering that extreme in my life. Another temporarily but extremely harsh experience I get is this stabbing pain in my gut that comes with irritable bowel syndrome. Its the most intense physical pain I've ever felt, it completely incapacitates me like the first 5-10 minutes of kambo does.

KIAP: I spend all my experiences lying down anyway because it completely saps me of all energy. I spent my last experience lying on the bathroom floor and I could barely sit up to purge in the toilet which was right beside me lol. My throat was burning from all the bile that came up but I didn't bother to stand up and wash my mouth in the sink because it seemed like too much effort. You're right about that, one has to have guts to jump into this realm. The same goes for ayahuasca and iboga. There are many of these hardcore warrior training grounds that only the select few in life experience regularly. Psychotic episodes, chronic sleep paralysis,  kambo, bad psychedelic trips, ayahuasca, iboga, serious diseases, severe drug withdrawals etc., they are like boot camps for accelerated spiritual evolution available for those who choose (or maybe destined) to evolve at an accelerated rate.

Precautions / Re: Not overdoing it with the burns
« on: September 17, 2012, 10:17:30 AM »
I'm with you on that one KIAP. I said I did mild burns this time but it was only the 2 burns on my chest/shoulder area that I did mildly, I made a row of 5 intense ones along side my older row of spots on my right arm. I did this because I want to make it official that I am permanently aligning with the spirit of the frog, in spirit, mind and in body. Like you said, they are permanent marks of courage and perserverance. Physical warriors have physical marks. Spiritual warriors have spiritual marks (i.e. the permanent changes ayahuasca produce to ones spirit). Kambo is both a spiritual and physical ordeal and thus marks one both spiritually and physically.

Journals / Ordeals / Kambo for mild benzo PAWS
« on: September 15, 2012, 06:40:43 PM »
I just did 7 dots, 5 on my right arm, 2 on my shoulder and the experience was short but intense. Right now I feel great, I can't feel any withdrawal symptoms at all so I feel like I did before I ever did benzos but much better because I have energy right now and feel light (whereas I usually feel sluggish and heavy). I was having mild depression for the past few days after taking phenibut which didn't agree with me but thats gone. I think kambo does in fact help with benzo withdrawal symptoms, mainly the dyshporia part. Last month when I started doing kambo the day after quitting xanax and I have felt good every day since. Maybe its a coincidence, maybe not. Way more experimentation needs to be done. I think people with long lasting benzo withdrawal symptoms who have exhausted all other options would be willing to try kambo.

Precautions / Not overdoing it with the burns
« on: September 15, 2012, 06:12:46 PM »
I see that I've been making my burns far too intense because I can tell that the scars are going to be permanent. I don't mind because my t-shirt covers them and they look good in my opinion (they're in rows of 5), plus I like having a permanent mark to remind me of my initiation into kambo but for anyone here who is new to kambo and wants to avoid permanent scarring, go easy. A very mild burn is all thats needed. What I was doing was heating the stick until red hot, then prodding it into my arm and holding it there until my skin completely quenched all heat. Thats completely overdoing it, in videos of Matses shamans applying it, they just touch the skin with the hot vine for under a second. I did kambo today, and this time I just briefly touched my skin with the hot tip and made very mild burns but it turned out to be my most intense experience so far.

General Discussion / Re: Can Kambo be Reused?
« on: September 15, 2012, 05:51:17 PM »
Today after my experience was coming to an end (around 40 minutes after applying), I decided to wet the globules (they had completely dried) to see if it reactivated them but I felt nothing. This doesn't prove anything though because most of the jelly is non water soluble so the water can't easily seep through, its probably only the medicine at the surface which touches the flesh that gets used up. I saved the globules this time because I'm sure they can be reused. It doesn't make sense that the burns would just suck all of the medicine out of the globules.

I'm always brave before I apply the kambo, but within minutes after applying the dots, all I can think about is when the experience will end. My usual reaction is to ask the spirit to end it because its so agonising that I handle it. This is only during the very harsh first 5-10 minutes but I want to become a warrior and just face the whole experience head on without backing down. I have learned to become a warrior in other aspects of my life (sleep paralysis being one) but it takes some serious guts to face kambo head on. I think I will eventually reach the point where I can do it. I know that philosophy/beliefs/thoughts play a large role. Today when I was lying on the floor hoping for the experience to end, I remembered that I am going to see Giovanni so I will have a lot more of these ordeals to come, on top of the challenges iboga throws at me and then my desire to flee from the challenging experience went away and I just accepted it.

How is it for all of you? Have you learned to face the kambo experience head on like a warrior yet? I'm aware that the people on this forum are warriors to begin with as it takes a certain degree of courage and resilience to work with this substance regularly but the intensity of the initial suffering is quite intense, I'd imagine it breaks everyone down, no matter how brave and tough when they first start working with it.  I suspect that one eventually learns to accept suffering as it comes, i.e. the warrior mentality. However, I'm aware that with intense experiences brought on by some substances such as ayahuasca, salvia and psilocybe, one has no choice but to surrender because the nature of the experience is beyond anything any 3D human is capable of handling.

Journals / Ordeals / Re: My third Kambo experience
« on: September 15, 2012, 05:30:03 PM »
I just had my 4th experience (its the new moon here) and I ended up pretty much using your protocol avena. After applying, I stumbled into the bathroom to get ready for the purge but ended up lying on the bathroom floor for about 30 minutes. It was nice and cool and it seems solid surfaces are more comfortable while in that difficult state. Even though I was lying on the floor next to the toilet, I didn't have the energy to sit up at first so I puked on the floor lol. Is it just me or is it always at around the 15 minute mark that the stomach fills up with bile and one purges uncontrollably? I was struggling like mad at the start of the experience so I voluntarily purged and emptied my stomach and the vomit was clear, it was mainly water by the looks of it. About 10 minutes later I had to vomit, this time not so voluntarily and what came out was pure bile. I'm guessing it was pretty pure and undiluted because it was bright yellow and burned my throat.

General Discussion / Re: How long does it take before you see results?
« on: September 15, 2012, 12:22:04 PM »
Tonights the new moon. I'm going to do my 4th session. I'm going to do 7 dots this time.

EDIT: I always get second thoughts about continuing to apply after the 3rd dot because I feel the effects coming on so strongly, I'm thinking of just doing bigger dots instead. However, bigger burns may leave permanent scars. I figured out that I had been completely overdoing the burns so I have some permanent scars on my arms now. Its not a problem since its the upper arm where nobody can see unless I take my shirt off but if I were to keep this up, I'd end up covered from head to toe in circular scars lol. I saw a Matse shaman in a video with tracks of scars the whole length of his arms and chest.

Kambo & Rapé / Nu-Nu Snuff / Singado internasal tea / Nu-nu
« on: September 15, 2012, 08:21:59 AM »
Someone here posted a zip file with two articles on the Matses. I read one of them and in it they described how the hunters will use nu-nu in a way that makes them lose consciousness, then they receive visions. They talked about how the hunter projects a spirit body (called an anima) into the jungle while he is sleeping which I found pretty interesting. Is nu-nu only used for hunting, or can it be used for healing too? If it can be used to communicate with the spirit world and gain information useful for hunting, I wonder if the same can be done for healing.

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