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Acu-points & Meridians => Acupuncture & Acupressure => Topic started by: Kambogahuasca Panacea on July 22, 2012, 11:37:20 PM
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These two sites especially the first one make it extremely explicit and easy to find meridian points. I suggest studying it very closely and testing if you have the point right or not by putting pressure on the points with your index finger. If you have it right you should feel a slightly sharp tinge like sensation which is different from if you do not have the point exactly. Also of note, Gio seems to go by the meridian lines more so than meridian points unless he is doing it on Auricular Acupuncture in which he seems to use the points. I personally like doing points if I can on people and myself working with both sides of the body for balance of spiritual/physical and also working on more than one meridian category.
Some of the terms on this site and other sites will need some deeper study and will further on be looked into at length by myself and hopefully others. Also of importance for my personally revelations will be to study deeply on the ancient meanings of the biles as noted by the ancient greeks as the humors. All this is important in being able to identify the nature of purges. And if one ever times too closely an Ayahuasca session after a Kambo treatment they may want to know what the colors of the rainbow are that are coming out at warp speed.
This site is a gem in the future I will try my best to bring down the terminology so we lay people can understand...
http://www.yinyanghouse.com/acupuncturepoints/locations_theory_and_clinical_applications
This one although not nearly as precise also has value in locating points...
http://theamt.com/acu_point_meridian_point_location_chart.htm
*If anyone wants to help I would very much appreciate any assistance as from my treatments with applying on meridian points vrs. not applying to points is nothing short of night and day. It is a totally different experience for me and those I have treated.
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Have to tried applying to a specific meridian line? The experience was incredible. I followed my acupuncturist's advice as to which meridian I should apply it to and he also helped me to accurately locate the meridian line as you know.
It was an incredible experience; very metaphysical. That meridian line took the medicine to the exact spot that my acupuncturist indicated it should.
I am sure meridian points also have their benefits.
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Yeah I agree that the meridian lines are necessary in addressing and application. Also I have had good success at applying to the points and honestly I am starting to feel that addressing several meridian areas on the points in quite a strong modality. For instance one on liver meridian one on heart and then the parallel. So far so good. But really finding the meridian points for me are important to know where the line is. There is equipment that one can purchase for finding them and even equipment for finding where a person is weak in a meridian (that's what Gio does). They say you need to be a physician or whatever but I was able to make an order just fine by filling out the other option and then filling in with "Kambo healer".
Here is what I got and will be arriving quite soon...
http://www.lhasaoms.com/Point_Mate_Acu_Locator-44-880-page.html
So far it has worked though looking at charts and then using a stick to prod for an area where the person reveals a tinge like feeling.
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Cool.
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Can anyone point me to a primer on how kambo relates to meridians. I recently started going to an acupuncturist so I'm pretty fascinated by how it might relate to kambo.
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Can anyone point me to a primer on how kambo relates to meridians. I recently started going to an acupuncturist so I'm pretty fascinated by how it might relate to kambo.
I doubt it exists: i guess it's all empiric stuff.
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I doubt it exists: i guess it's all empiric stuff.
Oh, it exists. I experienced it first hand and it was very very real along the kidney meridian. I have done kambo 3x, however this one on the kidney meridian was special and has relieved some symptoms that I was having in that area. Ask Giovanni, he has tons of experience with this.
It may not be scientific, but what about entheogens is??
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I accept that it works, but I doubt that "a primer on how kambo relates to meridians" exists. ;)
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Thats what I suspected. This is pretty much unchartered territory. Do you become aware of the meridians whilst on kambo? I'll ask Giovanni about all this when he gets back from holidays and when I meet him in person. In my opinion, this is all science. Real science. Learning from experimentation. Not the dogmatic bullshit that many so called scientists restrict themselves to. I'm a chemistry student and what makes me excel in coming up with new concepts is my ability to think laterally. I have all sorts of ideas for new inventions, I just need to get into a research lab so I can start putting them into practice. You're all pioneers of an unexplored field which I believe holds immense potential and will drive humanity into a whole new paradigm. Soon chemistry will become alchemy again. Al being the Arabic word for God, spirituality and science are part of the same thing. Some day when humanity has reached an adequate level of enlightenment, these two fields will remerge.
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It's good and fun to research on your own too. Although Gio tipped me to where to find the infos, he didn't teach me up close and personal or give fine details, mainly linked books on Auriculor Acupuncture. With Kambo the ears are even more important than the major meridians. Gio told me that doing it the Auriculor style was less harsh and far more effective, this statement is an understatement. It's a freaking miracle. Gonna open a whole board section on meridians here soon once things settle down for me.
For now all I can say is search it out on your own on Meridians and Auriculor Acupuncture. Eventually memorizing the acu points would truly simplify the process.
If you have a real strong interest in Kambo I suggest letting Gio know you'd like to administer it to others. Then he will consider you his student and you can learn from him rather than just being treated by him. He demands dedication before he will teach you up close and personal.
It's true Auriculor Kambo Therapy is the greatest medical discovery of man. A little secret soon to be brought out little by little to the general public. Meridian Magic also has it's divine rite but it is not quite as precise as Auriculor. Note that if you search deeper even the major meridians, each one has it's own purpose. Not just the meridians but each and every point has a purpose.
Study, study, study...
the students of healing (Kampo)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kampo
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Yeah, once I cure this drowsiness problem (which is a massive hindrance for reading) I'm going to gain an in depth understanding of all this. The acupuncturist I'm seeing at the moment checked my pulse with her fingers and automatically knew all kinds of things that were wrong with me. She knew I had asthma, trouble concentrating, bad short term memory, drowsiness etc. She even knew I grew up beside the sea. She says that people with this particular type of pulse have an energy imbalance. I'm gonna get her to elaborate on that so maybe she'll tell me what meridian to focus on with kambo. I doubt shes even heard of kambo, this all seems to be pretty revolutionary stuff. I definitely will tell this to Gio because I have a strong desire to help others with it because it pains me to see so many people suffering and this futile western medicine system being unable to help them. I instinctively know that Amazonian curanderos have capabilities far beyond what can even be comprehended with ordinary western logic.
When you say auricular kambo, do you mean applying kambo to the ear? I looked up the word and found some pages about auricular acupuncture which focuses on points on the ear.
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Yeah Myco,
The ear is the replication of the entire body and seems by far the best place to work via Kambo. If I got extol it's virtues enough I would but it would only be an inkling compared to the universe of it's benefits.
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Great, this is what I'd been looking for. I strongly agree that these meridians are worthy of their own section.
Myco - I'd love to see scientists really focusing on the benefits of entheogens. And I also agree that with the internet and these forums, we will gradually wake up to a new human consciousness. I wouldn't have made this statement before, but these forums gave me the courage and knowledge to go through with these healing treatments and it led to me opening my third eye on an Iboga flood. I'm sure Kambo will lead to its own healing cures as I become more experienced.
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Once I applied Kambo on the heart meridian on the forearm, between HT3 and HT4.
At that time I was not using the acupuncture criteria, it was only to try a different location.
I discovered that some parts of the body are not very suitable for Kambò because that area was a bit more painful than the upper arm or the chest, the skin and the tissues are more sensitive and it remained swollen and sore for a long time.
So be careful...
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Yes it is true,
For instance I did 7 on the conception meridian running which hurt real bad, the ears hurt the most IMO. The second worst pain is the inner part of the shoulders to me.
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i would like to deeply thank each and every being that partook in me coming upon the information regarding meridians, i recently made a burn on the pineal point on my left big toe with VERY noticeable visionary effect without kambo. i remembered many very very old dreams from early childhood. thank you all deeply, i now am extremely curious as to how this and other important points on other reflex areas will be effected by plant teachers of various kinds.
also i was wondering if it is allowed to simply upload databases of charts and diagrams i have been gathering in the weeks since first coming here, i have quite a few regarding specific body areas and many diagrams showing combinations of points that when used together activate various functions.
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I usually just place links on here to the chart that I would like to refer to. Pineal point on the left big toe huh? I will have to throw that point in there next time I do Kambo. You sayin' that there was an effect from the burn alone without Kambo? Damn, that must be a powerful point from which something needed to be released...at least for you.
As for pain, I have yet to mind the burns no matter where I put them. I have burned my ears about 40x and am never bothered by the pain, however I imagine the penis would hurt quite badly :P, but don't plan to go there anytime soon.
My tolerance for physical pain is high, however my threshold for mental and emotional pain is very low, although Kambo seems to be helping a bit.
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i also used nail clippers to cut through the tough top layers of skin present on the bottom of the big toe, doing this with other areas that have tough skin will also likely lead to powerful effects.
i made 4 burns total one on each of the points shown circled here:
(http://www.iama.edu/Graphics/8Extraordinary/YinYangWeiMo.htm)
this image i put together with various internet diagrams of the points (i cannot upload the image now for some reason), to be entirely honest i am not sure at all if any of these 4 points even reach the surface, i also apply saliva before and after each burn, wikipedia claims it contains pain relievers on par with morphine.
and on these burns i applied peppermint EO before and after as well as a blend of EO for balancing all chakras after and then later lemongrass EO and tangerine EO, lemongrass because it seems to have powerful effects against viruses, infections, and bacteria and tangerine because it is anti-cancerous.
after applying the chakra balancing mix and before the lemongrass and tangerine i also applied pressure to these points as directed on many sites, my impression is that it might have gone much much better with adding the lemongrass and tangerine to the peppermint before the full chakra mix was applied, the lemongrass burned like ... well lets just say A LOT giving me the impression that when applied to fresh burns it highly improves the absorption rate of any compound hitting the spot specifically because of how fast and hard the lemongrass EO was felt i have never experienced anything as strong as that from a single EO from any method before trying this BE VERY CAREFUL those less experienced with the strong effects produced by some oils might be incapacitated at the first open burn application.
since having done this i can now feel the entire beginning to end of each of the 4 channels effected anytime i even slightly move any of the 4 limbs the burns reside on.
considering i am very experienced with heavy intoxication of many forms and that i nearly passed out when the lemongrass entered the burn, i will be looking into possible other locations of application, and trying to find EO tailored to specific meridian channels instead of using a blend intended to balance all 7 main chakras.
not that i did not like the "wave" of intensity that washed over me when the lemongrass hit, in fact for those preferring very strong sensations this is highly advised. only after having tried smaller amounts of lemongrass on unburned skin first of course encase of allergy or other bad reactions it always best to patch test oils.
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Man you're crazy :o, a perfect fit for this site! Welcome :)
Have you done Kambo yet?
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Have you done Kambo yet?
...nope lol much shaking and quivering like a leaf i have done since reading all the posts here (:
can you give examples in order of closeness to other medicine journeys with similar "mental pain" to kambo
possibly salvia?
i have partaken in 5 meo dmt and bufotenin hundreds if not thousands of times, and finds aya made from 5 meo and bufo to be extremely deep visionary experience.
if the mental pain has similar qualities to salvia i have information that may be of great value here, i tried to post it before 3 times my internet crashed when the post was sent 2 of the 3 times it was a page long post ): lol
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Others can better answer, especially Kambogahuasca Panacea. I really don't have that much experience with entheogens, however I do have many experiences with salvia divinorum (extreme amounts out of a gravity bong even) and didn't find there to be any mental anguish at all. I have seen others flip out, but that plant got along with me just fine, although it was strange to say the least. I have experienced more pain from psilocybin experiences than any other trip.
I can't compare Kambo to any of these, it is nothing alike. I almost laughed when you said incapacitated since I pretty much assumed that you hadn't done Kambo yet. That is being incapacitated (usually). My brother (who is pretty tough all around) squirmed on the ground purging his guts out and looked up at me and was barely able to say "can I take this off now?" He was devastated by his one experience with 5 good size dots, but he says he'll do it again.
So my worst suffering has come in the form of precipitated opiate withdrawal and acetaminophen poisining of the liver. The former was way worse than Kambo and the latter was about the same as a tough Kambo session. The only difference is with Kambo you know ~ when it is going to come to an end and that helps ease the suffering for me. My other extreme suffering experiences lasted forever. The first one I mentioned was 2 days (suicidal type agony) and the second about 8 hours. Kambo is pretty much over in 20 minutes (at least the worst of it).
You will be alright, just start with 3 dots and do your homework first. Ask for guidance on these boards and from whatever it is you believe in. You'll find it rewarding, and although it is intimidating you will make it through no problem.
Hope I didn't scare you away!
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I' afraid you're out of my league so I can't say. The only one that matches in experience is here named Mary Poppins but he/she won't do Kambo as per no burn policy. My experise is of course as my name and with medicinal herbs. I don't really dance on the wild side like that. I'm actually relatively cautious despite the reputation I've earned as a risk taker. Everything I do entheogenicslly is well planned out in advance and poured forth with intentions.
If Kambo calls you'll know. If not the more for us. That the frogs keep copulation and reproducing tadpoles night and day.
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i find it interesting that you say there was no mental anguish from salvia for you, for me i felt like a million elephants were jumping on my chest but the mental anguish came after the hallucinated physical pain left.
my first time taking part in salvia, i was overly adventurous due to much experience with enthoegens.
and so i went right ahead and made salviahusca, actually thats not fair salviahuasca would be a walk in the park compared to the portal-portal i opened that day, no amount of mortal trickery or magic can reverse what was set in motion.
before hand i applied an oil mixture for balancing all chakras on all my chakra points, and took a relatively good dose of prolactin inhibitor.
i smoked a strong aldehyde dehydrogenase inhibitor with peppermint oil and lemongrass oil and applied both transdermally to throat, third eye, and crown chakras, waited 10 minutes and smoked salvia combined with the ALDH inhibitor and peppermint oil and lemongrass oil. the lemongrass was to temporarily make the bbb more permeable. the peppermint for kappa agonism.
it lasted 12 days, the first 3 at about 75-100% threshold effects the 4-8th days at about 50-75% and 9-12th at about 25-50% threshold effects.
for an individual having their first salvia experience this was.... rather jarring
in fact for months afterwords likely to this day, sitting in the exact spot on the specific coach i was sitting on when it happened makes me progressively more antsy the longer i sit their lol
also ever since that i now get profoundly hallucinogenic effects from mustard, especially if coupled with black pepper, and no i don't mean a lot of both i mean normal amounts you put on a sandwich and interestingly i am able to "divine" information and future events wile meditating after eating mustard alone and even more so when combined with black pepper, its much like a combination of the salvia feeling and a strong cannabis hash experience.
i think it could be extremely good idea for somebody with the means to try seeing if they can get kambo to cycle through the aldehyde system, this could possibly allow one to use extremely small doses of kambo to achieve the same effect and reduce damage to the frog both directly and conservation wise, and it could open up the ability to go much farther with kambo than is known how to go, its possible the natives using this already know of the tricks needed to get this working, its also possible they don't, its also possible it wont work at all, considering the structure of the compounds present in the frogs nectar this is likely possible. considering the natives likely strive to reduce pain and danger to the frog if they DON'T know of this yet, and it is found to work, efforts should be made to bring this information to them. considering stories about natives doing 100 dots in a day you know these guys are craving for the pain and would likely be happy to learn how to extend the supply of nectar much farther than what can be done as is.
also i have found that if you don't touch the hot ember to your skin but rather hold it extremely close 1-5 mm away from the skin and do very slow circles on the spot it will cause the same burns as pushing the ember into the skin, without having to introduce carcinogenic compounds to an open wound. and yes this way the skin still peels off after just like pushing it into the skin, also the burns are much more controlled and less messy running of the wound occurs.
i have noticed something, i don't know how to properly express this but i will try, when i have been using this no-touch method i find the burn is TREMENDOUSLY more painful than sticking the ember into the skin, and it goes a little weird here when using this no-touch way on open burns it seals them shut after careful small slow circles are made but before it closes as the ember is dying it seems like my body is DRINKING the energy from the ember, my scientific mind could only grasp perhaps the heating of the blood, and drawing it to the skin/wound reduces the bodies energy load in having to heat itself because blood rushing to a wound is being heated apon its further circulation improving internal temperature, this may have something in common with northern chinese moxibation to help deal with the cold climate.
its very profound when you notice that, as you hold the ember closer (and do small slow circles) your body drinks the energy from the flame faster and in larger amounts per time interval, and when the ember dies, their is a sort of grief that someone has died that you knew this "energy absorption" may only work with specific meridians the one i was working on when i realized what was happening was SP-4. its funny how at the beginning i was thinking oww this burn is stealing my enjoyment by causing pain and then after a wile i came to understand it was the opposite and i was being given from something offering, and this was not a bad thing.
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i should mention as it seems it could be of value here, i have many times successfully got the aldehyde system to cycle various forms of aya for days or more at a time, this method is extraordinarily powerful tool with witch to extend the supplies of things ordinarily needing to be rationed, and also it allows things normally not strong enough, to be made entheogenic, some of these things ordinarily never thought to be entheogenic, in fact the most profound deepest realization i have come to from all my experience with entheogens is that there is no "entheogens" everything is an entheogen, the ones we call "entheogens" just happen to coincidentally appear to be speaking in a more easily interpretable language from our ordinary perspective.
but further we can go to, it was not coincidence these ordinarily thought of entheogens wished for us to learn of their teachings and the teachings of those we do not consider entheogens, the ones we do not consider enthogens yet, may be unable to so far "reach down and share" or the way in witch they reach down and share is difficult for us to interpret as language to be learned from from our ordinary perspective, and so the ones we consider entheogens may be helpers who are full of so much inconceivable love for everything including their plant brothers and sisters that they feel sorrow for all the endless lessons their brothers and sisters sing out loud, witch seem to be falling on deaf ears, and so maybe they wish to fix this disconnect.
surely, we will likely never come to known the depths of the compassion of plant teachers.
and of course i use the term "plant teacher" out of habit, i by no means confine my pupil-ism to plants. learn from the air itself, if you can imagine it, if you can remember it, if you can experience it, all of everything is to be learned from.
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Shit man, you are doing circles round me. It's like a PHD professor trying to teach a kindergartner about physics. In general I don't know what the bleep you're talking about. Gonna have to mske you a customized title of some sort. A pleasure to have you here, I don't remember you from any other forums. I guess we're lucky...hehe.
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Hi peacefull warrior,
very interesting post. Could you please explain better to us the aldehyde dehydrogenase inhibitor practice and theory ? Perhaps opening a thread for that specific topic .
Thank you very much.
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Hi peacefull warrior,
very interesting post. Could you please explain better to us the aldehyde dehydrogenase inhibitor practice and theory ? Perhaps opening a thread for that specific topic .
Thank you very much.
(http://kambo.me/smf/index.php?topic=136.0)
i will be adding more aldehydes to the list tomorrow most likely.
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Giovanni uses pain to help locate meridians. He puts pressure on various points around where the meridian should be and asks you where it hurts most. I had my first acukambo experience yesterday and saw clear differences in the effects produced. For the first time, my face swelled up and my skin even turned green at one point.
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i would like to deeply thank each and every being that partook in me coming upon the information regarding meridians, i recently made a burn on the pineal point on my left big toe with VERY noticeable visionary effect without kambo. i remembered many very very old dreams from early childhood.
You got this visionary effect just from burning the point, not even applying kambo to it? I have to try this. I'll be doing iboga for a few days but once thats out of my system, I'm gonna experiment with this pineal gland meridian thing. If the burn alone induces visions, what would a massive burn with kambo do?
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OH MY!!! i just made a burn on my heart 7 point and for a few seconds i could see all my meridians as electrical channels along all my body THROUGH my clothes.
i don't do the burns as others, i hold the ember 1-3 mm away from saliva wet skin and wait till the burning pain reaches a peak then i do extremely small slow circles the circles are so small i barely am moving it at all, this concentrates the blood to the area and contains the burn into a confined small point and makes the burn as deep as the large burns you would make by pressing the ember against the skin.
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and so i went right ahead and made salviahusca, actually thats not fair salviahuasca would be a walk in the park compared to the portal-portal i opened that day, no amount of mortal trickery or magic can reverse what was set in motion.
it lasted 12 days, the first 3 at about 75-100% threshold effects the 4-8th days at about 50-75% and 9-12th at about 25-50% threshold effects.
for an individual having their first salvia experience this was.... rather jarring
Good god man I would want to shoot myself after the 2nd day probably. Its because of hardcores like you that make me think I can handle anything now. Hell it makes me seem like a wuss for not upping the dose half the time I trip
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After reading this thread, I was inspired to try to work with my own meridians. I was not taught to use Kambo this way, just the general arm or leg application. This conversation has inspired me to think differently about working with Kambo and I am grateful for the information.
Firstly I used this resource, to locate K8-K9, which was easy enough using some poking around to find the point. In my case K8 was very tender.
http://www.yinyanghouse.com/acupuncturepoints/kidney_meridian_graphic
I decided to go with 5 medium sized dots between K8 and K9 and instantly felt a needle like sensation in K8 as the Kambo was applied. Very strong, as if somebody were sticking a sharp needle in my skin and moving it around. A few moments later, my entire foot and ankle felt as though there were millions of needles sticking in... these 'millions of needles' subsided after about a minute, leaving just a few very strong points activated, all the way down to my toe. I realized later that these points did not correspond with the lower K points, so perhaps I activated another meridian?
The experience so far was quite gentle, and it didn't purge; just got very calm, centered, and quiet. Waves of calm would be replaced with spasms in the body and shaking, most in my right arm/hand... then I would become calm again.
After a few cycles, I decided to burn two more points and placed these in my left arm, continuing some earlier Kambo scars. These two extra points, I though would take me over the edge and cause me to purge, but nothing. Just a calm, deep, meditative feeling. After another 20 minutes, I went lightly to the bathroom, lay down and had a very peaceful rest.
As I mentioned earlier, this the first time I have not purged, in about 40 applications ranging from 6-13 points. I feel like the medicine went deeper, stayed inside and is still working. The points on my arm and leg are still 'talking' like the Kambo telegraph, all is well, and I'm grateful to the medicine and for the experience.
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" I realized later that these points did not correspond with the lower K points, so perhaps I activated another meridian? "
usually i find doing anything to 1 meridian effects its paired meridian, often they are paired in two's
(http://www.natural-health-zone.com/meridian-clock.html)
this is an invaluable resource.
"After a few cycles, I decided to burn two more points and placed these in my left arm, continuing some earlier Kambo scars. These two extra points, I though would take me over the edge and cause me to purge, but nothing. Just a calm, deep, meditative feeling. After another 20 minutes, I went lightly to the bathroom, lay down and had a very peaceful rest."
in my experience of non-purge kambo use and kambo snuff i would highly advise you drink lots of water over the next couple days (more than usual) (also let that limb soak in hot salty water at least a few minutes at least twice a day followed by a few minute break and a few minutes in icy cold water with stretching in between, this will highly stimulate lymph flow if you go back and forth between cold and hot gently with stretching and time between one another) and also that you try to do kambo everyday from this point on areas NEAR but not the same zones you hit before until you purge, once you purge then supply a little water every now and then and let yourself recover thoroughly, with lots of water.
you really want to go hard (not large amounts, but instead consistent, patient timed sessions keep trying with time in between each till you purge (ideally in day or two after the non purge session but i would not worry just try to only use points you can manage to get yourself to purge from) with tons of water and gradual kambo to try to get the kambo mobilized out of your body again.
i feel it is fine(still try to avoid though) to have a non-purge session every once in a wile so long as you try to have a kambo session WITH purging as soon as possible afterwords even if its on another part of the body if you give enough consistent water orally and topically.
and nutrition and lots of steady breathing, relaxing, and stretching of the related tissues between the non-purge and the beginning of the intended purge session you can literally get a sort of kambo-huasca going that is very very transformational sort of rebirth like experience of having become familiar with the frogs communication for a day or so (after non purge kambo use) but then having the frog stand up and walk out of your body through your mouth and end it gives you a very noticeable connection with the fact that this medicine is sentient with this method, even though it is probably not good for you to have non-purge kambo sessions.
when i have done this it was very much like 5-MeO-huasca i have made in the past involving once you come back to earth (baseline), you literally feel like you have been reborn into a new body, very effective medicine.
the only thing i would really advise to recover from non-purge kambo is to make sure you use kambo as you can manage to till you purge within a day or two or whenever you can manage to mobilize the residual flame.
soaking in hot salty water for a bit followed by a break then icy cold water for a wile, can very strongly loosen your body ESPECIALLY if you supply consistent large gradual amounts of water to your system for multiple days and hours before each treatment (and then even more in larger lumps closer to the treatment)