Kambo
Kambo Protocol's => Diet before and after => Topic started by: lala on April 17, 2012, 01:03:57 AM
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You MUST be well hydrated.. I burnt myself unnecessarily 7 times, one big one...I was not hydrated at all.. in the three times I tried Kambo, only once was I hydrated enough ... it can be scary, but truly have had the best luck since! Oh, and even though ut did not affect me so much the last time I did it, it wiped out this nasty chest cold I felt like I was getting..
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I agree on hydration, but for what i have read in these years on kambò, this idea to drink water is not in the natives' tradition. The reports I read speak they eat a soup or broth of manioca, preferibly.
Manioca (also known as cassava, tapioca, mandioca, yucca) is a palatable white tuber rich mostly in carbohydrates.
Someone has more precise infos on the traditional recommendations ?
However I think that vegetal juices are more suitable to hydrate than water, at least if this water is NOT very pure and light, without minerals in solution, because these minerals are in the inorganic form and they tend to obstruct and engage the body in a further process of elimination. The organic water of fruits and raw herbs is instead rich of minerals in ionic form, easy to absorb by kidneys and mucoses, contributing to a good electrolytic balance and support to neurons and organs.
To drink too much water in a short time is not very safe as commonly thought.
I feel one liter in my belly is enough to be tolerable, more creates discomfort.
And in every case i suggest it's better to drink water in small sips.
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interesting theory about fruit juices.
would def be a lot more palatable. i have only experienced the 1.5-2ltr drinking of water. i understand the liquid wont be in your stomach for very long, but does feel quite uncomfortable, but can help the vomit as you feel quite queasy from the amount of water you have drank, and as the liver discharges it's bile into your stomach it is good to have it diluted in water or some sort of liquid because tastes awful.
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I have heard that the Katukina consume a great deal before of a fermented beverage made out of corn I believe, I need to find that article.
I consume a great deal of water within the 2 hours before treatment and find it to help a lot. I also do 3 full enemas with very healing and purifying herbs directly before the Kambo treatment. This really helps the fluidity for me.
There was one time when I was drinking water before treatment, but not enough. I was also keeping a fire and working on the fire made me sweat a lot. Directly before the treatment I forgot to drink more water. That Kambo treatment was really harsh and difficult, not pleasant at all to be honest. It seemed to get stuck and wasn't allowed to flow so much. This being said I personally opt for a lot of water. I also see where your coming from though caiano, and I know for some the drinking of so much water is a trial in itself.
Personally I like to be as fluid as possible. For a while along with the enemas I was also drinking a lot of Guayusa tea (an emetic in large amounts) but I found the purges to not be as pure. Because of this factor the Water in itself before Kambo is a sacrament to me as well. I get it from the best sources and I never drink second rate water.
Bless the water, it has an eternal memory.
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my sense around the question of hydrating is that it is most important to listen to my body.
during my first two traditional applications in the Matses tradition i dutifully drank the 2 litres i was told to. my body went into shock due to the amount of cold water it was having to hold. this added to the intensity of the experience. looking back it may have been unnecessary. the third time i took notice of my body and drank a large glass of lukewarm ginger tea. my body clearly had had enough - and i was very firm in refusing to drink any more. the venom was quick and thorough - the results intense but minus the 'water traumatisation' of the first two sessions.
now when i microdose i do not drink extra. i have some herbal tea awhile beforehand, no breakfast. and a couple of dots around 8 -10 am. crash for a while then some broth for lunch, a cup of tea (caffeinated) and on with another beautiful day. :)
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I think it is useful to understand the basic science of hydration.
You can drink a litre of water 10 minutes before the Kambo, and still be dehydrated.
To be hydrated at a celluler level, it is recommended that you drink thoroughly at least an hour before. The way you know whether you are properly hydrated is to look at your urine - it should be light, almost clear. If there is any yellowness in it, you are not completely hydrated (the yellow in your urine are dead blood cells).
So this leads me to a question. When you mention being hydrated, do you mean that one should be hydrated at a cellular level or in the sense of having water in one's stomach and intestines so the vomitting is less painful?
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my sense is that it is the latter, Avendagold - to facilitate the purge.
dry purging would be unbearable with this medicine!
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The Katukina are those I would look to as the caretakers of Kambo. There method is to drink 4-8 liters of a fermented beverage over the course of the day and a half before Kambo. So on that level I think it is also cellular in nature to get hydrated. I try to do both. I regularly consume sun tea out of a 2 liter mason jar with herbs like Yerba Mate', Cacao, Rooibos, Vanilla, Cacao, 500mg-1.5g Iboga stardust, Caapi Leaves or Syrian Rue ground 2-3gr, Ilex Guayusa and sometimes switching it up. This really helps me before a Kambo application.
Thanks for bringing up that crucial info.
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thank you for that, KP
it should be mentioned here that syrian rue is toxic to most women.
it is used as an abortifacient.
i feel wretched for days after taking it. i wont use it any more.
so suggest leaving it out of Kambro's blend if you are a woman.
i would always dowse for any ingredient i was not sure of, anyway. . .
if i have any doubts, asking my body with the simple bodycheck is foolproof.
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How much water should one drink before the experience? I heard in the Kambos Kiss interview that one should drink around 2L of water before the experience. Thats a serious amount of water, should you drink all that right before the experience, i.e. within an hour before applying the kambo?
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Can drank water over the course leading up to the experience. To be rest assured I also make sure to drank around 2l about one hour up until the experience. I also have others do this but I tell them to drink a great deal of liquids the day or day before an experience.
2l would be the minimum in my books
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I must have purged every milliliter of the 1.5L of water I drank, my body kept vomiting even after there was nothing left in my stomach. I'm glad I drank all that water because what came out was yellow. If that was bile then its a good thing I drank all that water to dilute it because that stuffs fairly corrosive.
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Bile is yellow-orange and far bitter: one cannot mistake it
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Bile can also be green in colour. It can be mistaken for stomach juices apparently.
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If you ever have read my 1/1/12 account of Mama Kambo Mama (Ayahuasca in morning, Kambo 3-5 hours later then Ayahuasca again at full dose 2 hours later) you'll remember I purged the rainbow. That bile was every color you can imagine, on an empty stomach.
Later on I would like to open up a thread on bile, and what the colors represent. Associated with the only systems that seemed to really delve into this practicum, the humors of the greeks, and the sufi's also had a bit of infos. I'm sure Chinese medicine also has some infos. But I'm sure every color has a meaning. For instance when I purged up black it took 3 weeks but eventually someone of facebook (gloriadeo I think) sent me this in depth report on what black bile represents in terms of the meloncholic.
Amazing miracles
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I know this hasn't been touched in a while, but I think this is relevant...
I consumed a liter of coconut water a couple of hours before Kambo, in addition to water and some fruit juice. Coconut water has always been kind to me and helped me feel hydrated after having foods with salt. But... it does have a sodium content itself. Forgive my ignorance, but, would this type of sodium be a contraindication for Kambo fasting? What's the consensus on coconut water for proper hydration and pre Kambo appplication?
I stumbled upon a bio-assay of a participant who was given papaya juice and water pre application. Going back to hydration, this would make sense over just plain water exclusively, which I don't think is as effective as other choices. I wonder if there would be additional benefits from the papaya juice in removing toxins or aiding in the medicinal process.
What is could be considered a great source of water? Blessing the water is a fantastic idea and I would like to incorporate that ritual. I'm not sure what my best water source option would be where I'm located.
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coconut, mango, etc., or watermelon in the morning, are in my view excellent sources of vital fluids enhancing the detoxification, but those heavy coloured as papaya would hide the color of bile and one could misunderstand what he's puking.
Distilled water , or very light bottled water like that sold for babies, could be a second choice.
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Wow, thanks! I never knew this about potassium! I could always feel the ease with which my body would hydrate if I had it, but the oxygenation bit is very significant. I've been trying to consume more potassium with bannanas. A packet of emergen-c helps if I'm in a bind and have eaten some salty food. I'm honestly kind of tired of consuming foods with salt, even if with natural sea salt, I seem to become dehydrated easily.
Damn, nice links, I appreciate the info.