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Kambo Synergies => Kambo & Other Sacraments => Topic started by: caiano on May 04, 2013, 06:27:33 AM
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Mambe is an indigenious way ( Witoto, Colombia) to consume - chew - raw coca leaves, reduced in flour (= Mate de Coca).
It is considered a medicine for the speech, to channel and speak words of wisdom, light and power.
The Mambe activation(-> freebasing) I've found optimal, it is obtained adding a 25% of carbonates, composed of 2:1:1 mix of [respectively] Calcium Carbonate:Sodium Bicarbonate:Potassium Bicarbonate.
The natives use withe ashes, or grinded and toasted shells, but then more than 25% is required for a good activation, because the farmaceutical carbonates I suggested are more pure.
The two Bicarbonates are more reactive than the Calcium C., but are more altering the taste.
Calcium C. is a more weak base but does not add any flavour. CC also is almost not soluble in water and on the long run could create deposits in the body, whereas the Bicarbonates are much water friendly. That is why I mix them in that ratio.
Another traditional way - probably the best - to activate the Mate is using Ambil, which is an alkaline "marmalade" made mostly with tobacco. But Ambil is hard to find, it is produced in limited amount around Colombia ( or in Brazil it is called Jita )- the alternative is one has to make his own (there are recipes on Shaman Australis forum) given he is able to purchase a bunch of raw organic tobacco.
One vendor suggests to drink the Mate in the morning with grapefruit juice, but i find the Mambe method more comfortable to carry everywhere, even to share with others at wish, and suitable to adding other herbs.
For example San Pedro\Peyote flour can be added to the Mambe mix at 10 or 20 % and used along the day, at least after the meals. One have to keep it in the mouth until it dissolves. Coca flour gives you a light 'friendly' anesthesia in the gum, whereas the cactus material when moisted swells and helps the coca to dissolve much slowly than it could happen without the cactus.
I've tried also to make a batch with powdered Voacanga Africana ( an Iboga cousin) and it is good.
Mambe is a good medicine, but it is antinausea, so don't use it before kambò because it could undermine the purging process.
Someone suggested also to use Stevia as alkaline agent, but I've found these data which cut off that option:
Q: What is a pH level and what is the pH level of your Stevia products? Are your Stevia products acids or bases?
A: The pH level of a solution/element indicates its acidity. Solutions/elements with a pH of 0 to 6 are acids with a lower number indicating a higher acidity. Solutions/elements with a pH of 8 to 14 are bases (a.k.a. alkaline) with a higher number indicating a stronger alkaline (base) level. Solutions/elements with a pH of 7 are neutral, i.e. neither acid nor base (water has a pH of 7).
Stevioside (white powder) has a pH of +/- 6. That makes it an acid, but a very weak acid.
SteviaClear™ has a pH of about +/- 8. That makes it a rather weak base (alkaline). The combination of the +/- 6 pH of
Stevioside and 7 pH of water (the ingredients of SteviaClear™) make this alkaline.
Stevia Concentrate is also a weak alkaline (base) with a pH of about +/- 8.
Stevia Leaf (HoneyLeaf® powder) has a pH of about 6, which makes it a weak acid.
Based on these pH numbers our Stevia products are essentially neutral in their acidity. They all fall just shy of a pH of 7 on either the acid or base side.
If you read spanish cocaindigena.org is a good place to read the virtues of coca supplementation.
Coca in its raw form is useful for everyone's health and well being, but it 's mostly recommended for recovering from any debilitating illness.
I'm here quoting a personal message i received some days ago:
"... coca leaves are herbally nutritious but are also central nervous system stimulants... so there is always the affect of them pulsing through the cells and the difference when they are not present.
What separates them from hard stimulants is the nutritional backup support from all the vitamins minerals, phyto nutrients, essential oils all woven into a bio-available plant matrix that supports the activation of these alkaloids without serious or detrimental down time or damage. "
here a couple of videos in spanish about Mambe:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axStCIWwDkc (here 1:1 is the ratio they use of flour and ashes, but then they snort it ?!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZDuDvyBIyI
Here (http://www.amazon.com/Mate-De-Coca-Tea-Organic/product-reviews/B002KLLHF4/ref=cm_cr_pr_btm_link_next_2?ie=UTF8&pageNumber=2&showViewpoints=0&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending) you can find among the comments some useful and practical infos on Mate, orienting also on how to make your own Mambe.
Vamos a mambeàr, hermanitos !
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After kambò, mambe was more strong : it lifts from the post-letargy without bath !
It seems kambò erased suddenly the m. tolerance I developed on time.
Next time I will take half of my standard dosage of mambe,
hower i find it another good companion for the frog juice.
[Cannabis too ! ... nobody already tried that ?]
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Thanks so much brother,
This is my preferred activation source although I have only activated Rustica snuffs (Hop-A) but I'm sure it would apply to Mambe...
http://punkash.com/
Or...
http://comprasperu.com/product_info.php?cPath=26&products_id=297
Of course you can make your own too. Punk ash though is hard to beat and similar to the Tsune' tree in strength of activation used by the Yawanawa to make their famous snuff. I've tried to get the ash from the Tsune' tree but so far to no avail as it would likely snuff their snuff. So I understand.
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What kind of tree shelf polypore is that? I've seen those pictured. I collect tree shelf polypores often when hiking and make teas out of them because all tree shelf polypores have medicinal properties and none are known to be toxic. It is burned to ash and mixed with powdered N. rustica?
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From the website and the medicine they have is called 'Iq'mik'
Native Alaskans have been using punk ash for over a hundred years to intensify the
effects of chew / dip tobacco. It's called Iq'mik or Blackbull when mixed!!!
Punk ash is mixed with long cut tobacco and chew dip like copenhagen, the mixture is
dependent upon the users tolerance. It can have quite a strong effect the first time it is
used, so moderation is required until a tolerance is built up.
Its effects have been compared to the sensation a smoker gets on their first cigarette
after they have quit smoking for a long time or that first dip of chew you ever took.
Punk ash and tobacco are commonly mixed either in the chew can or in a ziploc bag
with a little added water and allowed to absorb for a period of time. ie, 2-3 days...
Apparently, the Punk ash effects the Alkalinity of the nicotine allowing it to be readily
and rapidly absorbed into the bloodstream increasing the “nic hit” one receives. The
effect is noticeably quicker and stronger than standard chew.
I use Nicotiana Rustica and a few other varieties of Nicotiana but none of Tobaccum which is what I think even the Acre tribes use.
I want to start using Reishi Mushroom instead as this has to be the best I believe. I don't know exactly what kind of polypore they are using looks awfully close to the 'artist conk' but I really don't know. Could e-mail the guy. But I definitely want to start using Reishi for multiple reasons.
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It is Phellinus igniarius.
I googled into it. I also thought it looked a bit like artist'c conk at firs too. but upon Google imaging both I see the differences. I'm interested why you think Reishi could be better. Can you elaborate?
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I thought it might be even more medicinal, but I could be wrong. I'd like to try punk ash and then compare contrast the two. For now I just use vegetable ash lipta but I look forward to these other methods of activation.
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how much you would willing to spend for 1 kg of Reishi to burn ?
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all tree shelf polypores have medicinal properties and none are known to be toxic.
PChild, are you sure ? I want to be sure before to start collecting them.
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Its my guess and from reading that all alkalizing foods are good for ash. But especially I look for Reishi and Chaga mushrooms. I doubt it would be terribly expensive and I will be sure to add in Cacao hulls and other goodies. Still first I would like to see what the professional quality is for punk ash, to go from that on the quality.
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PChild, are you sure ? I want to be sure before to start collecting them.
Yes that is the conclusion I came to when researching & as far as I know. Googling, field guides, ect. Feel free to look into it for yourself tho. I feel there is a lot of untapped medicinal potential there. I collect all different kinds and make a condensed tea which I then pour a little bit into my morning smoothies.
Lichens are interesting too. Many contain medicinal components like cannabinoids. Out of 25,000 species of lichens only 2 are known to be toxic. And with some things considered toxic, can also be medicines. The difference being in the dosage.
I guess any tree shelf polypore could be used as a snuff admixture then. I was wondering if that specific species chosen for Mambe had a certain psychoactive component. But it seems it is just chosen for the PH of the ash. So I was thinking it's kind of a shame to burn something that most likely has medicinal qualities just to get an ash to use for snuff. I'm wondering if there is something specifically special about that polypore that synergizes with coca or tobacco, ect. Otherwise any non-toxic wood could be used? But I'd also think all medicinal molecules would be destroyed by heat and be gone by the time the wood is burned to ash?
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This specific basidiocarp was selected and preferred above all other sources of ash. The reason for this is its high pH.
Once tobacco arrived in Alaska, the indigenous peoples formulated a blend of tobacco and Phellinus ash, also called punk ash. In the native language of Yupik, this mixture is called iqmik. Iqmik was (and still is) made by mixing shredded tobacco leaves and punk ash. It can also be made by rolling pieces of leaf around a portion of ash, like little doulmas. A man might give the quid to his wife to chew until the substances were mixed. Then she would return it to her husband, who held the quid in his cheek and let the juice trickle down his throat.
http://botit.botany.wisc.edu/toms_fungi/nov2005.html
I thought ash was ash, pH wise.
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A quick research online and i have found in Italy a source of Reishi at 60 euro\kg !!!
I've asked if they make discounts for expired stocks, but I doubt it will be cheap.
I think it's worth collecting tree shelf polypores by myself.
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You guys will be interested in this chart.
http://www.earthspiritmedicine.org/Images/medicinal_chart%20copy.jpg
http://www.znaturalfoods.com/ has reishi for $35 a pound and cordyceps for $26.09 a pound.
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I have infinite access to Shiitake, within reason I should have enough to supply a villiage. I also want to add greens in that are high in PH which I have access to. At least I will experiment, it (shiitake) rates high in alkalinity too, so I can get this experimenting started soon...then maybe the 3 of us can share in the trials. Worthy of a PM but just putting it out there to see what others might think. I got the basics on it...
-Dry the Shiitake's all the way
-Put in Stainless Steel Pot
-Put a bit of organic grain alcohol in
-Light with a bamboo stick flame
-Bring to ash as much as possible
-Sift out non burnt components
-Sift again through mesh to have only ash
-Grind ash to insure no specks of any sort
-Fill ash with water preferably water with 10ph (health food store or otherwise)
-Dehydrate back down
Questions:
When making mambe I wonder if it is necessary to rehydrate them together and then re evaporate together? Not that I'm making mambe I wanted to know for making 'Hop-A' but the process is quite similar.
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Well it couldn't hurt and would help mix the two components. Very interesting.
I will be getting my re-order Mapacho any day now from Peru and am down to experiment with these things.
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Not to late to grow your own...this isn't even all their offerings...
Nicotiana’s
From Sacred Succulents
Nicotiana rustica ‘Ancient’ “Tobacco”
This seed came to us from a friend who received it as a very special wedding gift. The seed was discovered in a 1000 year old urn at an archaeological dig on Vancouver Island. An amazing relic, it has proven highly viable, we grew out robust plants to 3′. This is the first generation seed from this ancient sacred tobacco. Z9a-b?
Seed packet $6
Nicotiana rustica ‘Kessu’ “Tobacco”
Small tobacco to 2-3′ with round leaves and yellow green tubular flowers. N. rustica is the most potent tobacco, having the highest nicotine content, making an excellent insecticide and shamanic smoke. This specific strain, Kessu, is the most northernly strain ever recorded, growing in central Finland just 400 miles from the Arctic Circle! Z8b?
Seed packet $4
Nicotiana rustica ‘Mohawk’ “Tobacco”
This heirloom tobacco strain comes to us from the Six Nations Reserve of the Eastern U.S and Canada, from the Iroqouis Confederacy: the original North American democracy. Z9b
Seed packet $4
Nicotiana paniculata BK00.1 ”Tobacco” “Qhamasayri”
Solanaceae. Unusual annual tobacco species we collected in 2000 at Moray; an amazing Incan agricultural center at 12,000′ in Peru. Rounded leaves and stems to 3-4′. Lightly variegated flowers: green, yellow and white. A rare and wonderful plant. Z9b
Seed packet $4
Nicotiana tomentosiformis “Wild Tobacco”
Rare perennial species with leafy upright stalks to 10′. Large mouthed dark pink flowers. As the name suggests, it resembles N. tomentosa but never reaches the size of that arborescent species. Endemic to the Yungas region of Bolivia. Genetic studies suggest it may be one of the parent species of the cultivated tobacco (N. tabacum), being hybridized millennia ago with N. sylvestris and N. otophora. Z9b/10a
Seed packet $4.50
Plant $10 (limited)
Nicotiana rustica BK09508.1 “Tutuma” “Chavin Tobacco”
Round leaved annual to 3–6′ with yellow-green flowers. Sacred tobacco, we thought this was N. thrysiflora, but now that it has flowered for us at home it is clear that it is a distinct Nicotiana rustica strain. Heated leaves are used for rheumatism. From our collection at the edge of cultivated fields just north of the town of Chavin, Ancash Dept., Peru, 10,000′. Z9b
Seed packet $4
Nicotiana tabacum ‘Bolivian Criollo’ “Black Tobacco”
Annual with large sticky leaves, pink tubular flowers. This is a criollo strain grown locally in Bolivia, the region in which it is believed N. tabacum was originally domesticated. Traditionally cured as a “negro”, a dark, strong smoke. Z10a
Seed packet $4
Nicotiana solanifolia “Tobaco Cimarron”
Solanaceae. Rosettes of wavy paddle shaped leaves. Flowering stalks 3-5′ tall with green tubular flowers. A rare and unusual tobacco found only in rocky areas in the fog belt of coastal northern Chile. New to cultivation. Z10a?
Seed packet $4
Nicotiana Glutinosa “K’ama Sayri”
Solanaceae. Annual to 3’ with rounded leaves. Short, open mouthed, hot pink flowers. Growing near 9,000’ with Trichocereus Peruvianus above the town of Matucana in the Rimac Valley, Huarochiri, Lima, Peru. The leaves contain the nicotine precursor nornicotine and diterpenes with antifungal actions. Used like other tobacco. Ah highly ornamental species. Z9a
Seed packet $4
Nicotiana Tomentosiformis “Wild Tobacco”
Solanaceae. Rare perennial species with leafy upright stalks to 10’. Large mouthed dark pink flowers. As the name suggests, it resembles N. Tomentosa but never reaches the size of arborescent species. Endimic to the Yungas region of Bolivia. Genetic Studies suggest it may be one of the parent species of the cultivated tobacco (N.Tabacum), being hybridized millennia ago with N. Sylvestris and N. Otrophora. Z9b/10a
Seed packet $4.50
Nicotiana Quadrivalvis “Indian Tobacco”
Annual species 3-6’+tall. Lanceolate leaves, 1.5”tubular flowers. Seed from plants growing along a creek bed, hills east of Santa Rosa, Sonoma Co. the main native tobacco that was once widely used by numerous tribes, but has become scarce in recent times. For medicinal and religious purposes the leaves were smoked or chewed with lime made from burnt shells. We can help honor and revitalize relations with this ancient plant ally through cultivation. Z9a.
Seed packed $3.25
Nicotiana glauca “Tree Tobacco”
Solanaceae. Perennial shrub or small tree to 20′. Large, leathery, glaucus blue leaves. Clusters of tubular yellow flowers attract hummingbirds. Said to be native to the southern Andes, but is now naturalized all the way into central California. Considered erroneously to be invasive, but it only grows on disturbed ground, hence its abundance along roadsides and construction areas. Does not contain nicotine, but the bioactive analog anabasine. Widely used as a sacred tobacco, makes an interesting smoke. Z9a
Seed packet $3
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keeping the coca flour in the mouth with the salts ( or ambil, or ash) , the humidity triggers the reaction that starts to occour in 5 minutes (when one feels the numbness). But many of the powder remains dry and it will be freebased slowly, when the saliva reach it, but normally one has not enough saliva to moist all the [half-teaspoon] powder immediately.
I think snuffs have another dinamic: they need to be already freebased to be absorbed in a short time.
BUT, there is video where they mix ashes and coca flour at 50% and then snort it.
I've never tried to snort mambe but a friend did, and he finished preferring the oral-mucose route.
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What PH could achieve the ashes ?
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Shit, I am growing my own Mapacho from last years seeds which I have a ton. But that reminds me I wanted to get like a heirloom Tarahumara strain or something. Different tribes refine genetics for potency and pass seeds of strains down through generations.
EDIT: Ahh, a few are mentioned there, I missed that. The Ancient variety sounds has intrigued me since I heard of it as well.
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Chimo video:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OdE7Eu8AgvY
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Nice ! tnx, these are the videos I prefer 8)
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Mambe! I caught on finally bro!
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Bom Dia...
http://vimeo.com/m/41543499
Thanks to Caiano for always being a step ahead and filling us in in the mean time.
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http://www.visionchamanica.com/antigua/yage_EMC/Mambe-Coca-Integral.htm
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http://spiritrisingherbs.com/2013/04/10/interview-with-an-amazonian-shaman/
Diagnosis and Causes of Disease
For diagnosis Isiais uses Ambil which is a paste made from tobacco with a certain type of salt that his tribe makes from vegetables on it. Sometimes, he chews mambe, a paste of coca leaf powder. When asked why, he explained that Ambil and Mambe protect him from the illnesses that may be affecting the client and that they help him see what to do in terms of healing. Ambil and Mambe prevent the shaman from being affected by certain types of diseases a client may have, as well as help him figure out whether to touch the person, how to treat and also whether to give certain tasks to complete before actually doing any healing practices on that person. He spoke of different types of illnesses: those that come from human disorders, those that come from environmental influences, those that are hereditary, and artifical illnesses.
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Pages 4-7 in this article are really interesting...
http://www.humanecologyreview.org/pastissues/her112/cristanchovining.pdf
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Interesting stuff.
It seems to me that mambe is not used by women: don't you ?
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I know women chew coca quids w/alkaline ash in the Andes but never /Mambe.
I think the alkaline ash would help extract any alkaloids correct? I think would better unlock the potential of Iboga even. I tried today with Root Bark but I should have powdered the grind up, hence I burnt my mouth too basic. Ancient technology. You know what to do about the burnt mouth thing? It'll heal ok?
I found this interesting...
After 10 to 15 minutes, when the coca leaves are well dampened, the quid is ready, “chewer” adds a basifying agent. This alkaline substance will softens the leave's astringent flavour and most of all make the saliva more basic, thus extracting the alkaloids out of the coca leaf material. The quid is not effective before adding the alkali, which is a crucial step, as non basified saliva does not pull alkaloids from the coca leaves.
Read more: http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showwiki.php?title=Introduction_and_Use_of_Coca_-_Erythroxylum_Coca#ixzz32frCgNva
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it will heal, probably... ;-)
I never experienced burns in this way. Sorry for you.
So your bases are very powerfull but also potentially danderous.
Oils like nigella, aloe and/or flaxseed would help.
Yes ! this technology is worth to be applyed to other alks-rich plants.
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I recently started working again with this healing plant. It has been most helpful for relieving my post work fatigue, I work a lot on my feet, so I enjoy it most at this point during the day. As a tea, I know I am receiving all the nutrition of the leaf, there is little central nervous system shock, as there is with coffee, and also less adrenal spikes. This is a good thing, being very well balanced. I think I'm able to get the most out of it by having the flour with a bit of llipta held in my mouth vs. making a flour tea (consumed whole).
I am now interested in using this only post kambo instead of usual coffee. Coca would be a healthier choice for me as I fast from coffee. I plan to cut out coffee altogether...eventually. I would prefer to drink green/white tea plant tea in place of coffee as a daily stimulating beverage.
About the coca flour...I have this idea that I'm curious to apply to as many drinkable sacraments/medicines as I could find effective. I am considering making an instant mate by boiling coca flour for a while, straining, and evaporating the filtrate. Sounds like a delicious treat to me. I would like to try with yerba mate as well for an easier format for hiking. What to you guys think?
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Been reading through this thread and although I assume the concept is simple yet I do not fully understand. At least, I read that mambe is a snuff, correct? A snuff made out of coca flour and a base and next to pharm bica salts, traditional use is with ashes of tabacco?
Coca flour is easier to obtain than leaves and have been using it for a time now. Thought I was addicted, but in the end it wasn't even difficult to stay away. The green leaf goes very well with my constitution. Though holding coca flour with bica in the mouth seems to be detrimental to the gums, possibly due to the scouring effect.
Instead I now use it as a tosh and wash, so a little teaspoon with powder and 25% bica washed down with some water. That way all nutrients will be absorbed. Very agreeable way of using it.
About burned mouths, stay away from water! It's best to use acid to neutralize, for instance apple vinegar. I know from experience, have burned my mouth as well and washed it using water. Don't. That's why I prefer to use a not too strong base. :P
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not exactly snuff: oral intake as a quid is more common.
I've seen only one video on YT where they end sniffing.
"White" ashes are recommended, as those left by tobacco, but the natives prefer the ashes of other plants.
Ambil\chumo is the more excellent complement.
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Now I've rediscovered that the ash just means the burnt substrate of plant that is high in the 'basic alkaline salts' of magnesium, calcium, sodium, silica, and potassium.
Together the mix could be perfected by locating the plants highest in these qualities and then burning ever so finely into an ash to be finely sifted through mesh into a final product resembling keif.
Potential highest sources for each:
Sodium - Leija leaves
Calcium - Moringa leaves and stems, Spinach leaves and stems, Quinoa leaves and stems.
Potassium - Plantain skin
Silica - Horsetail
Magnesium - Cacao shell or better yet Theobroma bicolor
Add ins: Zeolites, Shilitat, Chaga, Reishi spore extracts
***any entheogen filtered with egg white or other means should be made alkaline in the process therefore rendering useful
Recommended to also add in other plant based mineral ash i.e. Brazil Nut shell ash to meet all nutritional requirements with MOMbe. At least 65% coca in the mix seems to be the standard.
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http://www.bdigital.unal.edu.co/6141/1/juanalvaroecheverri.2011.pdf
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Hey guys, it struck me the other night... What about coca essential oil? My mind is always thinking about crazy stuff. I enjoy essential oils, and some as you know, are really hard to come by. When I say what about it, what I really mean is... have you every thought about making some? There's the old kitchen way of using a stockpot, bowl, lid and ice to condense oil from vegetable material. I could see how such an oil could be useful topically, as so many others are. Just a cool thought I wanted to share. I've never seen it mentioned anywhere. Please share your thoughts/insight on this.