interesting thanks...
before i get to my main question, i want to ask you about your migraines...

are they migraines?.. or are they cluster headaches?

why do i ask?... check this out..

I always thought they were the same thing until a doctor told me flat out, my symptoms are not of migraine behavior but cluster headaches...  I am not going to argue which one is more painful or traumatic, but i will say this...
during one of my months of twice a day attacks
I had an attack  while under 300mg HCL ... I didnt feel the pain.. but I felt it happening, I then immediately, i went about a year without any further attack...
I have also learned that some people have taken doses of psilocybin to relieve themselves of chronic migraines...
I shy away from mushrooms because they exasperate my headaches... they get more frequent and worse...

I find it interesting that iboga can instigate your migraines, while release me from mine..

on a side note about the head aches...
as I said in another post about this, i was having my cluster headaches two to three times daily before I was able to do a small Kambo administration.. only 3x1...
I posted that my headaches disappeared for about two days... they had since returned for a number of days after, and with a higher volume of pain and with a MUCH shorter time between aura (shadow) and attack.. meaning I had less time between sensing i had an approaching attack and its arrival..
however... tho much more violent and now three to four times a day, they were much shorter and eventually dissipated.

as of now... I only have long periods of the pre-shadows... and no attack..
i really feel as tho the small Kambo intake shifted things around to where I am at now...


OK... and now my actual inquiry part two.....

Other than the headaches, physically, I have no real  need to create a full on saturation of Kambo..
(I feel strongly that a one time session of 7 points would clear out the remaining lingering presence of head discomfort)

however... and maybe this should be a whole seperate thread...
this leads into probably a dual longterm ibo effects and kambo.

After I have had one serious deep flood of HCL and have since injested a significant amount of HCL and TA in the form of light floods and frequent boosters...
(my flooding was after a long saturation period to address years of methamphetamine use)
the following sessions and focus for the ibogaine was to address the deep toxic conflict of other serious trauma....
( i am a serious advocate for finding protocol not just for opiate detox, but for rape trauma, and for PTSD from war)

(ill try to get to the point)

Iboga has helped more than i ever thought... sometimes tho MORE than I wanted..
I feel a frequent contest now in living post iboga...
a person gets to a point where there is enough success in changing your life around, but always teatering on this edge of familiar attacks and approach to living life, and making new decisions..

simply... after a few decades of adjusting and shaping yourself around familiar quirks and saftey protocol ... its hard to realize that not only are we healthier people on a deeper level.. to maintain this growth feels like we are different people..

for a while, it was hard to make art because I had always thrived on being crazy and exploring the left handed in my theater and my art...

when it gets hard to feel I can be true to myself, thats when the Kambo comes..
well, THATS my dialogue with kambo, thats my attraction to it....

there is always this personal vision (not iboga induced)
like some past life imagination

being in the jungle and madly running barefoot and being the a member of the village periphery.. the mad men who spend too much time poking themselves with poison thorns and talking to shadows... but the village people tolerate the kooky ones for whatever reason... they are toxic and yet medicine for the tribe as a whole...
iboga talked me out of the shadows where I wasn't doing anyone any good, only filling my flesh with rhetoric on poison...
but after coming out of the shadows, the place where we have learned to navigate for our whole lives BECAUSE THATS WHAT WE WERE GOOD AT!!!...
its been hard to position myself back into a sense of service within myself and the world....
sorta like looking around my jungle hut and looking at all my weird tools of lefthanded trade and shrugging my shoulders say.. ok... now what
thats where Kambo comes in and next thing i know im hunting with the other outcast flankers in the hunt..  skill sharing and being of service , only now the tools i have used are functioning in other forces of will...
now not only does fire burn and cast violent illumination... it heats water for tea, seals a wound..

well... if i didnt take this WAY OUT into left field... then i dont know..

UH... what was i saying...
Kambo... panema... moving the black cloud into a sweet monsoon rain....

healing for the hunt, being true to the self.
a good human..
thats why i use Kambo..

whew.. ha
if you read all that... i am impressed..
anyway..
thanks for all the info you have responded with
peace

... ahhhh... alright i think i get it... basically its ..

just enough root bark to lower your resistance, like when low dosing a few days to prep for and familiarize a first time r for a flood..
only now its to open yourself up for the Kambo...

wait long enough to be able to purge without fear of losing any of the iboga benefit...
which btw.. i know its not a large amount by any means.. doesn't wood take forevvveeerrrrr to be absorbed???

now that you have opened yourself up more for the Kambo... do like a moderate Kambo session (for me that would be a 5point maybe?)

rehydrate for the rest of the day and in the evening....
then the  700 mg TA booster
(which is reportedly from pretty strong batch)

I only have a few grams of wood .. and I was planning on doing the wood incrementally about a month after the booster .. just because I wanted to spread it out and allow it to work slow..

I was planning on doing the Kambo 3x between one moon cycle and using the wood then.. and finish the wood on the third session...

thanks you two.. this helps immensely ...
cricket

wow.. that really helped me.. especially the last paragraph here and then  for your informative kambo post..
I would not say that my tolerance for Ibogaine or kambo is high, ( i booster nicely with 300 - 500 mg hcl.. if I eat it at 9pm i am asleep by 3am.) and my last TA booster was 700 like the one i have now.. but then again I weigh between 20 and 30 lbs more than i did when i was  last boostering (my last flood was 2 years ago)
i will eat 200 mg TA as a walk around dose with nothing other than feeling like i am walking in sacred space...

as for the Kambo.. I have never topped 7 dots and have yet to dare doing it twice in a 24 hour period.. kambo hits me hard?? I am guessing? I enjoy it but I cannot imagine that after my face and throat swells up the way they do.. if i did any more my lips would ballon up and my voice would probably sound sandpaper for a week.. ha

I do not eat rootbark in any measured system.. Ill eat a couple pinches a day if I am in a good space and wanting to learn something or I am studying ... I have never eaten more than a couple grams so I would have no context other than conceptual..
I figured if I was ever going to eat that much root bark I would be in Gabon and getting a headwash first...

so, the next few days I have free to have a couple days to really spend some time with the kambo and the root actually happens to be during the new moon... I can have a few days of fasting under my belt and I few days to combine Kambo sessions.. (maybe work my way up to 9??)
I have gained a lot of weight since the last time i did Ibo and I am excited to see how the Kambo works in tandem..

I am still looking around here for acupuncture points and weighing my intentions together..
thanks for your input and ill be checking back in here again..
cricket

 I have tried to seek an answer to this question in here but found many different perspectives and attitudes to choose from..
 
I have about 700ml of quality TA for a small booster, a few grams of wood for the days or weeks after and a fresh kambo stick..

after about three or four days of fasting, I want to combine the two medicines together..

My question is this.... do they work well together if I do them in the same day?... (Kambo in the AM and ibo in the PM)
or would it be best space them out ? or  doing the TA right after the Kambo?

I am curious what other peoples experience has been, and if there is any significant benefit or detriment to same day administration or if it seem to be more of a matter of personal preference...
thank you for any response
Cricket

caiano... mine too.. that is, if i can worm my way out of a prostrate position..

Psilocybe... I have heard numberous times about the mushrooms really helping people with both migraine and cluster headaches.. my experience sadly discovered loooong ago ... I am not so fortunate.. Even before I had ever heard anything about mushrooms allowing some people to be migraine free for months at a time, I had a few horrific migraines post consumption of the fun guys... not fun..
however..
I will share my experience on the headache factor post kambo shortly..

thanks

I am pretty sure my stick came from a good source.. (given to me by friends who are associated with one of the well reputed ,traveling provider/teachers)
its about maybe a 3 or 4 inch stick wrapped in leaf.. I have seen pictures of larger sticks but i had the same stick my friend had and I am pretty sure HIS service work brought him a quality stick..

it is TOTALLy my doing.. as I read further i understand I had been making obnoxiously large globs.. (I was shown smaller but was told by the person who showed me that they werent sure how small was too small and how large was too large and my all to american upbringing kept saying bigger is better.. so when i was in the privacy of my own experimenting.. i went overboard)

without the benefit of proper training I am very glad to have found this forum.. once again THANK YOU for all who put time and energy into keeping this information on the table..

ok.. thanks..
i was getting concerned about it since I hadn't come across it in other posts..
even tho i had read a bit about enemas, my experience is that I have usually been a few days of already saltwater flushing.. but.. why not, i will try an enema and see..
now that I know its normal I wont fret... i was just being paranoid about the lack of mention for somehting that is something that I have come to expect..
and honestly.. enjoy.. if you can say that ... it feels like a full experience..

I like the idea of being outside and standing.. a lot actually, the singing and being as welcoming as possible feels like it would be not only the right thing.. the "normal"?? thing to do but also spiritually powerful ..
i wish I could..

but I am overcome with the frog... ihave adopted a froglike pose.. prostrate and pretty much powerless to do anything other than follow the heaves of my body..

since youth and due to a broken neck... I have been plagued by cluster headaches (which are like very angry and adamant migraines) most my life, so i think I have just sorta learned to give in to the force is a relinquishing of power and just ride it out in a passive manner..
I am hoping to do this again soon because I currently have at least one bout of cluster headaches daily and nightly.. kambo seems to displace the appearence of the sinister headaches..

thanks for the response!