Kambo
General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: artycok on March 14, 2013, 10:45:20 AM
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Hi all,
I would like to ask if anyone knows something about how Kambo could affect autoimmune diseases. All over the internet, I just read that it "boosts the immune system" or "strenghtens immunity". Well, if yes, all my hopes are done and I can probably not try it.:/
Just a quick intro why do I want to try this medicine - almost 3 years ago, I started to have a weird illness called "interstitial cystitis". Noone really knows what is the cause - an occult infection, autoimmune response, fungal overgrowth, or just everything at once... (seems I have all of these, ugh). Anyway immune system is somewhat compromised. It is like having an urinary tract infection all the time. Plus, of course, if you are a female you mostly start to have severe gynecological issues, too.
Since then, I started to have more and more mystic ailments - shortly I developed severe chronic fatique, fibromyalgia, IBS (had that before but undiagnosed and I thought it was "normal" - little more close to the constipation end sice childhood). Brutal migraines connected with the period cycle. And now, during the past few months - endometriosis (I am off BC pill for almost 3 years - I stopped immediately after getting ill, feeling that might have been a contributing factor).
I have tried many, many things. I have read Jox's story here and pretty much found myself in it - I also have tried like everything under the sun, including energy/spiritual approach, herbal medicines, etc etc. I do not take any medicals, I have just started traditional chinese herbs (that yucky ones you cook) - approximately a month ago.
Why am I boring you with this novel - I am afraid to try Kambo although it seems to be a great medicine. Because some of the herbs I have tried that are supposed to strenghten the immune system (goldenseal, for instance) have made some very serious damage to me (under a care of licensed proffessional, I must add). After taking goldenseal, I have started to have terrible chronic hives and never really recovered from them. They went away for a couple of months, but 3 months ago came back with a vengeance. And that is, most possibly, an AUTOIMMUNE response. Since trying some herbs, I even have an allergy to the sunlight (itchy rash) and overall I am even more hypersensitive. Vitamin D triggered an arthritis-like issue to me! Crazy. Colostrum seemed to have the very same effect as goldenseal - more hives (and that's supposed to be an IMMUNOMODULATORY thing, not just a booster).
I am from the Czech Republic, and there is one person I know of that does Kambo sessions. I asked her what she thought and she was apparently scared about the autoimmune stuff (although she helps people with allergies - go figure). And she said no, or maybe, she would try just ONE dot instead of three, but she said I should consider doing even that.
Well, I live a lie that is not worth living, that is for sure. But there is always something to lose, if you know what I mean. I would love to try Kambo, but I do not want to do more damage to my already crazy body. What do you think? Is Kambo more balancing or strenghtening the immune system? It is possible that it gives my immune system a kick to recognize what is an actual invader (in my case - I am positive for LYME DISEASE and some other nasty bugs) and what is its own tissue?
I am not in hope to find a magic cure, but if thereis anyone who has tried this for such a matter please let me know. I just do not want to get worse.
I just love being my own guinea pig. Many thanks.
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I fixed your posts. If I were you Id probably try it but that's just me. There are medicinal mushrooms like Chaga that are supposed to be immune-modulators and not immune boosting. You mentioned cooked herbs in Traditional Chinese Medicine. Remember that heat can destroy and break down compounds in foods. So raw herbs are better. Some plants are only really edible after steaming, or boiling though. I'd get yourself on a vegetarian, mostly raw plant food based diet and incorporate a bunch of juicing. Get off refined sugars. It's amazing how diet can change your life. Maybe some enemas, you mentioned IBS.
I am from the Czech Republic
Do you have access there to any cannabis oil? It is a really miraculous medicine. Sorry I can't offer more advice. Keep us updated.
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Hi,
thanks for your reply. Well, I have been pretty good diet wise, especially because I have to or I feel really crappy:). I used to be a vegetarian and that is one of the things that made me sick in the first place (5 yrs of vegetarianism), I think I ate pretty well, but vegetarian diet is either too starchy for me (even beans are a starch for my body, not protein, so candida problem way out of control) or you subtitute protein with soy (which I guess messed me up, too, hormonally and it did something to my intestines). But, I have been on a whole foods diet for more than 2 years with food balanced to 1/4 protein (meat, eggs), 1/4 starch (brown rice/quinoa/etc) and 1/2 vegetables. Absolutely no sugar, flour (I started to be gluten intolerant anyway), I even have to avoid fruits for too much sugar content (exacerbates every symptom, but mostly interstitial cystitis crap). Have tried candida diet, no success. So, occasional blueberries and green apples for now and tons of veggies. Meh. Everybody else would be healthy on my diet I guess.:)
I have tried eating raw, full 6 months, and juicing every single day. This was not good for my IBS/digestive issues. That is why in Chinese medicine they cook almost everything. If you are more of a yang-type person, you can afford eating raw. If your digestion is impaired and your constitution weak - you can do more damage. Trust me I have tried BUNCH of stuff that work for other people. :)
I have tried some cannabis oil. Works to mask the symptoms a bit. I can make my own if I want. I am pretty educated in herbology after all those years of suffering I think.:)
Thanks for the mushroom tip. I will look into it! But I am afraid that mushrooms are quite a risk given that candida/IBS problems. I'll see.
The thing is, I would go for Kambo 6 months ago without hesitation, but now while having those chronic hives (autoimmune stuff) I am just afraid that my overreactive body could turn against itself even more, leading me into anaphylactic shock or something. I was thinking - what about taking just ONE dot instead of three or four asI assume is normal, and wait what happens? Could that "tell" me if the medicine is right or wrong for me? Would it do anything at all? Thanks.
And yeah one more thing. Does anyone have a clue what it does to female hormones, if anything? I have a strong suspicion that most of the problems could be connected to hormonal imbalances (nothing herbal really works, actually most of it just messes it up more) and congested liver (have tried many cleanses - relief very temporary). This all could be due to taking stupid birth control pill for 10 yrs. Mistake of my life. I have heard that Kambo could also balance hormones, but it does not seem likely to me?
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Try 3 dots. On meridian points applicable to your condition (look to auriculotherapy as your indication will be resolved with ear treatment). Takes an expert to apply properly in these serious cases. One will not do anything noticeable really.
Not to worry as long as one is careful Kambo is good for everything. If dose is too small or too big then it is not successful though.
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On your place I will take Kambo. Like Kambogahuascangapé said, Kambo is good for everything. One my friend have Lyme disease and Kambo did the work very well. She was in the last state of the disease and now is very alive and much more strong. She did the classic caboclo Kambo treatments with the Brazilian urban shaman every 3 months. You can do more treatments at the beginning. Every week one, the first month and then every month one. Listen your intuition. The lady works a lot with Soma and she is a practitioner of Tao techincs of meditation. She did some illustrative work for the master Mantak Chia. She tried almost everything but Aya and Kambo did the work perfectly. VIVA KAMBO!!!
P.S. Please report your progress.
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Hi,
thank you all for your advice. And, thank you PrimusCantus for the info about your friend with lyme's. That is very encouraging!!
So, I have tried Kambo 2 days ago. The most visible part of my autoimmune problem, chronic hives, was triggered almost immediately after application - I could feel the itching spreading in cosmic speed. Fortunately it did not go too severe, and the rash stopped moving and occuring on my body during the night (I got Kambo in the evening). But that is pretty much the ONLY effect Kambo had on me - maybe also the fact that I was even MORE tired the next day (yesterday). Today, I feel like before. So, my CFS, fibromyalgia, interstitial cystitis, IBS, endometriosis pain, etc... - IT IS ALL THE SAME. Plus I do feel pretty depressed (because of my pain and partly I guess because I had high hopes frm Kambo and feel a bit helpless - I have tried so many things and keep getting worse. No whining, this plain sucks and I will do anything to make it better). I do not say I expected this to be a magic stuff that cures everything instantly, but, I sure hoped at least for some effect... And I could use your advice. I will try to briefly describe how the ceremony went - maybe it is about it, also.
So the lady shaman who did this (there were about 10 other people) first listened to our aim - or "intention" we had with Kambo that day. Then she somehow decided how many dost and where she is going to give us. Mine was on my left shoulder.
Of course, we drank a ton of water before application (1,5 l). At first I got 2 dots. I felt tingling in my hands and feet and a rush of blood to my head, my ears got swollen, my heart racing. Weird dizzyness and fatique, but nothing too bad. I was trying to "tune in" with Kambo, I was not afraid at all, nor was I trying to fight it or anything. Everybody around started to throw up or seemed very unwell (some got more points than me, but some also 2). I was OK. After a while, the effect was gone almost completely. O got two more dots. This time more fatique, but no tingling or racing heart. I just felt peaceful and slightly nauseated. Again, people around me throwing up like crazy. Another two dots - so altogether, I got 6 dots. This time little more nausea, and I threw up a little. Just water.
Then the ceremony was finished and everybody rested. I was itching like crazy some more time from the rash. Then it got somewhat better, and it was not appearing so quickly.
Do you have any idea what could be causing that it has no positive effect on me? In any way... I am of course glad I did not choke or anything, as I was a bit afraid because of the autoimmune stuff.
Btw. when you say I should do it often, do you mean self-administration at home? Because this kind of ceremony is only once in, say, 3 months here in CR... Plus, as you mentioned Kambogahuascangapé, it requires an expert in more complicated cases, I am not sure is self-administration would do anything for me, especially after this first experience.
Thank you guys a lot for any input.
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artycok,
self-administration requires a sitter and low doses, ***to be on the safety side.***
Kambò has to be "practiced" repeatedly to manifest its potentials, mostly in cases like yours, where\when many body functions are compromised and need to be re-balanced.
Becoming more confident and accustumed to this medicine one develops naturally a safe approach.
The enhanched sensitivity of your body induced by Kambò would gradually lead you toward new choices of life, nutrition, and so on...
Try to see Kambò as a guide, a teacher, a wise friendly Wild Angel.
To me it seems evident your system is using the skin to get rid of toxins and kambò "poison" triggered that response. The dose was not enough to squirt your bile and expell deep storages of toxins. You have only touched the surface of the healing process. But it's fine; maybe your body could not have sustained immediatley a strong purge, and\or you need more trust in the medicine to flow and pass through the process. Now you have more experience and know better what is expecting you, and you could resolve to afford it with a brave heart.
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@artycok
You're welcome. Now you need to do at least 5 dots at once. Even I do applications to people and only the first time I apply one dot and after 2 more, because of people fear, but the second time I do all at once. You need a hard purge if you want more benefits from Kambo. The results will come step by step and not at once. The lady with lyme recovers for about 2 years now. She started with Kambo and Aya in 2011. Even she had once the whole night reaction after Kambo. She is a hard fighter and that's very important in healing. Good luck.
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Hey all,
so, I did the proper treatment with Giovanni this weekend. That means six dots of kambo, after an hour or so another 6-7 (o the same spots plus he made one new next to the first six). The next day, another 6 (but HUGE I must say!):).
I did purge the yellow bile every time. Felt terrible of course, but my freakin' illness is much more painful and uncomfortable in general, I can stand a couple of minutes feeling like I am going to die with no problem.:) After first day, I had a terrible migraine (could be because of no eating - that sometimes happens to me). And after each treatment I felt like I have been beaten up, bladder pain worse, fibromyalgia, fatique and joint pains much worse, which persists til now unfortunately (it has been 3 days since I got the last treatment - yesterday I felt better, today I just feel like shit and my allergies are way worse than normal, especially the pollen allergy).
So, I am wondering... I did not expect Kambo will be a magic cure, as I have said. I am very aware that there is no such thing after years of suffering. But, I was looking for tiny little improvements that would show my that I am on the right path. Except for the fact that I was a bit calmer and perhaps happier for one day, I can not see any. I am not giving up, just would be grateful for your thoughts on this, as you are much more experienced than me.
At least I am happy it does not seem to make the autoimmune stuff much worse. But the allergies and pain seem to be a bit worse, so... I just do not know.
PrimusCantus, can I ask you how the lady with lyme's knew this was a right thing for her? Was she feeling better and that kept her going? Because I really miss this crucial clue.
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I'm sorry you had no benefits.
It was a intense treatment, so i would expect it has or will have some consequences.
A recrudescence of symptoms is normal and expectend with many methods of purification, but in your case only you can tell and recognize the difference between a mobilization of toxins - namely the effectiveness of the cure, and the intolerance to it.
What Giovanni told you ?
Thanks to keep us updated.
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Hi Caiano,
thanks for your reply. Yes, I too would expect some effect after such an intensive treatment. I know about somebody wrote somewhere that his/her fibromyalgia dissapeared after just one Kambo treatment. And I was hopeful after reading the story of Jox and his CFS. Well, not my case.
Giovanni said that perhaps I should try doing Kambo once a month/once in two months and after one year evaluate. And that I have many problems at once, which I know. Thing is, even people with many problems seem to see at least SOME benefit after Kambo, which I can not say. I will probably do as Giovanni suggests, but I have to admit that I am a bit sad.
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Hi Artycok,
I'm glad that you reported to us. The lady with Lyme disease just followed her intuition to keep going on this path with Kambo and Ayahuasca. I think is smart to repeat Kambo and after some time you'll see the benefits, like the lady I know. Maybe your path is patience, determination and focus. Who knows. I wish you good luck and a lot of light.
P.s. She didn't felt better right a way. The benefits came step by step.
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It was a intense treatment, so i would expect it has or will have some consequences.
Sometimes I see amazing benefits even 2-3 weeks after my last Kambo treatment and it is quite clear from whence it came. I definitely suggest a regular practice as that being the only way to truly tap in deeply. I don't believe that only 3 treatments in 3 months is going to heal big issues, in fact I find that whole meme to be generally misleading. Often I have to clarify with people that are first learning about Kambo that although it is a miracle, to me those miracles are only developed with long term practice and something on the scale of devotion to this sacrament. I apologize for the religious slant but for all Kambo has helped me with, it remains as the most crucial sacrament that all the others revolve around.
The first touch of the truly miraculous I had with Kambo was when out of sheer desperation I did 3 treatments in 3 hours on myself. It was 2 years ago and I haven't had a migraine since. After 30 years of very regular migraines. For this reason as I tried everything I could for my migraines I feel that Kambo can do just about anything.
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Hi all,
Just read these posts and still digesting but a couple of thoughts came to me.
Firstly, I totally agree that Kambo is a path of commitment and devotion. Regualr practice is key if you are trying to shift complex health issues. You learn it as you go along and it learns you as it goes along. In time you develop a relationship with the spirit of the kambo allowing it to move deeper and deeper in to you. This is where long term healing arises it seems to me.
Artycok, reading your posts I feel enormous compassion for your situation, you seem to be dealing with so much all at the same time. Some things occured to me and you may have already looked at them so please bear with me. Firstly, everything with the exception of Lymes can be linked to extreme stress response, even Endometriosis. I'm assuming that you've completely destressed your life/diet/environment and taken up lots of anti stress practices and you've been checked out for adrenal fatigue. If not, it may be something to think about. Secondly, Candida (also triggered by stress sometimes). This alone can be so debilitating and also trigger many of the other responses you speak of. Have you been tested for it properly? It seems to me that there are clear links between your various conditions and that stress/adrenal fatigue is the common factor again.
Thirdly, hormone balance. Again, linked to adrenal fatigue. I have found that Peruvian Maca is a great way to naturally balance hormones. It rejuvenates the entire endocrine system. I personally know literally dozens of women who have used it for this same reason and had huge success. Maca can undo the damage caused by taking synthetic hormones (as in the Pill). Maca is an adaptogen which works in harmony with your body and is also used for CFS because again, most people with CFS have adrenal fatigue.
So, check out the Adrenal fatigue and the Candida and get one of the natural supplements for that if its positive
Start taking Maca capsules everyday - can take a few weeks to see results
Keep up the with the Kambo. As others have said, patience and determination is the key. With enough of those two things you can overcome anything. If I were treating you, I would recommend, intensive treatment (which you had) followed by 1 treatment a week for 6 weeks and then review it. If all is well and you're improving then drop down to one a fortnight or one a month. I have used this with people with CFS, Fibromalgia, IBS and Stress/Anxiety with very good results.
Ok, apologies for dropping in to this post at such a late stage but I hope it helps in some way.
Much respect and good health to all
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Artycok,
I think you said it felt better for a day, 3rd day after the treatment.
This is a lot already. Can't expect more. But be realistic, and ask yourself in the past if you ever felt better for a day and how? Keep a diary of all the symptoms, and see how they change. If you have a partner or a family member, have them observe you: before the treatment, during after.
No matter how bad we are, we, the sick want to be better form day one, and it makes sense. But at the same time we are very unrealistic how bad is our condition, and we brush off small improvements.
Do it again, and see if you are going to feel better day #4 or not. Yet if the improvements of the day 4 is not motivating you, there is no way that you can keep on with the treatment.
More or less, in my case is the same, I feel better for a couple of days, first 2 is worst, day 3 is better, day 4 is best, and then it goes back...
If you really feel worst, then it is not for you... yet I doubt it. Learn to do it yourself and
I have been acutely sick with CFS/FM since 1994, it started in 1989. In 2001 I got be bed ridden. I got "better" in 2006. I was in constant pain and sweating, I couldn't even walk two blocks and always had taxi $ in the case I wouldn't be able to make it back home. If I had started Kambo in 2001, I doubt I would have had much difference, or it would have been as you describe it, or in other words if you are in really bad shape, then it will take some time.
I think I over spoke, but if you have specific symptoms questions ask me.
best
Jox
ps. Also Kambo is the cheapest treatment by far.
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Hi all,
WOW, thank you all so much for your feedback and care, I am quite touched really!! I will try to be systematic:
PrimusCantus: Thank you so much for more detailed info about your friend with lyme. Good to know she also did not feel any better right away. I do feel that I should give it some more time and stick with it (but only if I do not get worse, in that case, I will quit). Yes it requires perserverance and patience - now, after 3 yrs, I guess I kinda posess those qualities (well, most of the time, I certainly am not that kind of person by nature!):).
Kambogahuascangapé:Thank you so much for this, good to know that one can expect some effect even weeks later!! Also I agree that those statements about getting better in 3 months 3x Kambo are rather misleading. I definitely did not think that could happen to me, after all I have been through. I was just looking for tiny little positive stuff, anything. If that's a better mood 3rd day after treatment, then well, better than nothing. But I have to be careful - it could just be the enthusiasm of trying something new and thus seeing a new option to liberate myself from this deep hole of dis-ease. I am a psychologist so heck I know the connection between psyche/mind ad body. We'll see after next treatments! As for the spiritual aspect - yeah I must say I am humble facing Kambo, and every time I had it applied I just tried to say very warm "hi" to it as it entered my system. Ha. I might sound nuts, but I do believe that there is an important spiritual part to it! By the way, I have been having very colorful, interesting and sometimes disturbing dreams after and even before Kambo... Defnitely a good thing, as dreams are one of the best ways to connect with oneself.
Galega: Thanks for your insights and suggestions! I have mentioned some of these earlier (for example candida - I know I have that problem and I am on the diet, plus I tried dozens of herbs and supplements and treatments... With no luck. So for now, I am just keeping sugars/starches as low as possible. No gluten no dairy. So this is covered for now I hope - I can not use herbs for now as I became super sensitive to evrything (in fact goldenseal pushed me deeper to autoimmunity and that was given to me by well known American herbalist, and since then, I react oddly to all herbs, some foods and substances)
As for stress response - you are right that the interstitial cystitis and fatique brought me down after a very, very stressful period in my life. First break up of a 7 years long relationship, plus really bad family family issues and in all this, master's exams and PhD appliance. No fun. After it was all done, I just crushed. But, it has been 3 years already, and you are right that I extensively altered my lifestyle and the way I am dealing with stress. For now, a source of stress is in my illness, and mostly for financial reasons. I HAVE to have a job, because I have to pay my rent, food, etc etc. At the same time, I am very well aware that I am not able to work (even if it is computer work for now- university research). I just lack the energy and am in so much pain every day, and depressed. But I need finances to survive. There is noone else to do it, so, vicious circle I yet did not figure out how to get out of. I was hit by this when I was 25, just finished university and this does not give me any chances to have a decent career, I work part time. There is no other option than keep going, hoping that I would be able to keep the job and that my partner will became rich. :) But yes, adrenal fatique is definitely my issue and the stress of having to work even if I am drained is bad. I am doing my best.
Also thanks for the tip on Maca - I have to think about it as I have the problem I mentioned - I react extremely sensitively to herbs and supplements... For example, MSM gives me brutal headaches as well as DIM, rehmannia and peony makes my period come 10 days earlier, rhodiola makes me even more hypersensitive to sun plus worsens endometriosis, siberian ginseng worsens autoimmunity, blah blah, I could go on, but you get the point... Very annoying and even if I go very carefully with low doses. I have read about women having problems with maca - creating too much testosterone, gastrointestinal problems, acne, headaches... well everybody's different. Is there a specific dose you could recommend given my condition? Microdosing?:) I was on BC pill for 10 yrs (stopped after getting ill but too late), hence I am really interested, but need to proceed carefully...
Agreed that I will try Kambo more times.. I would not be able to have it every week because self-administration is something I was warned about by Giovanni, but once a month I can arrange. Self administration is something to be tried later I think.
Jox: Hey, I am glad you dropped in as was inspired a lot by your posts. I do not have any unrealistic expectations I guess, I am just longing for tiny little things that stay APART from my normal ebbs and flows (my condition is not stable of course, I have bad days, better days, and as a young female I am very affected by hormonal changes). I kinda see some patterns in those ebbs and flows, so I would be probably able to say that Kambo did something positive. And what it did is that I felt less depressed, anxious and more calm the 2nd/3rd day. No physical benefit that I can see. Of course, that is a positive thing, but not a strong motivator. My motivation stems from the hope that I will see a more long-term effects after a course of, say, months. The reason I posted here was partly that I wanted to know if not getting physically better is something others experienced, too. And partly the sadness that I did not see any physical results, it is always good to know other's opinions when you feel like a failure. Maybe I will see some in a few months, maybe not... Thanks for the review of your CFS development. I am so glad you've gotten etter yourself, even before Kambo, that's great. Ad you are right that this would seem the cheapest way. Right now I am just sliding downwards, and by this, I am at least trying to stop that process. I know I can't expect being better right away or very soon, although it would be very nice. I am a young girl slowly losing her life, just witnessing others getting married, having kids, etc., mostly via damned Facebook because I am even not able to be there physically. That sucks, but I am a warrior, both on a physical and on psychological/spiritual level. I will continue with Kambo as often as I can get it (Giovanni told me not to do it myself), which is hopefully once a month.
Also I started to take Coriolus Versicolor (very low dose for now to see my reaction), for its immunomodulating properties. Will continue with Kambo once per month or more often if available and keep you posted. Thanks to all again!!! I am really grateful.
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Maca - start with a low dose around 600mgs per day - that should be one capsule. Maca stimulates and regulates the production of a normal level of hormones - that includes testosterone in women too. I think that the side effects you mention must come from serious overdosing so start slowly and build up over time. There are signs with Maca to know if you're taking too much. Breast tenderness, similar to that which some women experience Pre Mestrually is the best one. Stick with one capsule a day for the first month and then increase by one capsule a month until you're on three per day. Then ou can increase/decrease until you find the right level - everyone is different.
I'm not suggesting that you should do your own Kambo treatments, Giovanni is 100% right on that but I was unsure if you had access to a decent practitioner on a regular basis. Once a month will be good for you anyway.
You could also try enteric coated oregano oil capsules for the Candida.
I totally agree with Jox. Every person that I have treated with CFS (or any compromised immune system) has felt sh*t the day after and improved over the next 5 days. I have found that as they progress with kambo, this drops from 5 to 4 to 3 etc until eventually it starts to kick in. Keep going!
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Why not "do it yourself". Patients with chronic condition must be independent.
Is Giovanni charging or it is for free, would he come to your home and do it any time you need?
I would do it once weekly for 3 week in a row, and if after 3 weeks nothing happens, then it is not for you.
Pay attention if you are sick from common cold, flu, or some infection, at the time you are doing the treatment. This can confuse the result.
best to you
Jox
ps. for depression do Iboga microdosing daily, or Aya 100g brew once a week.
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Is Giovanni charging or it is for free
He charges.
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ps. for depression do Iboga microdosing daily
Especially with lecithin, bioperine and enzymes. Taken all at once and sometimes a bit of noopeptides (only 30mg for me) and only 500mg of Iboga will make me so freaking happy that by now everyone at work says, "you look awfully happy today, did you take Iboga"? It shatters funks with ease, but at such a micro level the funk can return the next day. It takes a flood to make it more long term funk shattering. I try to do it only when I feel I need it anymore as I don't want to depend on it to feel happy. Taking the 500mg of RB on it's own without the others doesn't have near the effect or positivity to it for me. I'm low on the tolerance level, maybe the lowest even though I'm not small. So it's good if trying this route to be very careful and gradual until you find your comfort zone. I find that even a miniscule too much level of even 250-500mg too much can make it not as positive. Iboga can make you face your dark side hardcore which is difficult when you have to be socially active.
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I have been having very colorful, interesting and sometimes disturbing dreams after and even before Kambo
Kambo dreams is certainly thread worthy. I find this to be an amazing feature to the post Kambo experience. Although I never have disturbing dreams. For me the post Kambo dreams are a sea of calm and filled with light and tranquility.
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Are you familiar with Helminthic therapy? It's on the wacky side but quite welcome for this set and setting. I first heard about it on Radio Lab 3 years ago, here is a Wikipedia reference...
Helminthic therapy, a type of immunotherapy, is the treatment of autoimmune diseases and immune disorders by means of deliberate infestation with a helminth or with the ova of a helminth. Helminths are parasitic worms such as hookworms and whipworms.
Helminthic therapy consists of the inoculation of the patient with specific parasitic intestinal nematodes (helminths). There are currently three closely related treatments available. Inoculation with Necator americanus,[1] commonly known as hookworms, or Trichuris suis ova (TSO),[2] commonly known as pig whipworm eggs, or inoculation with Trichuris trichiura ova,[1] commonly referred to as human whipworm eggs.
Current research and available therapy are targeted at, or available for, the treatment of Crohn's disease, ulcerative colitis, inflammatory bowel disease (IBD), multiple sclerosis, asthma, eczema, dermatitis, hay fever and food allergies.
Helminthic infection has emerged as one possible explanation for the low incidence of autoimmune diseases and allergies in less developed countries, together with the significant and sustained increase in autoimmune diseases in industrialized countries.[3][4][5][6]
Contents
1 Incidence of autoimmune diseases and parasitic infestation
2 Theoretical explanation
3 Research
4 See also
5 References
Incidence of autoimmune diseases and parasitic infestation
While it is recognized that there is probably a genetic disposition in certain individuals for the development of autoimmune diseases, the rate of increase in incidence of autoimmune diseases is not a result of genetic changes in humans, the rise of autoimmune related diseases in the industrialised world occurring in too short a time to be explained in this way. There is evidence that one of the primary reasons for the increase in autoimmune diseases in the industrialized nations is the significant change in environmental factors over the last century. Environmental factors include exposure to certain artificial chemicals from industrial processes, medicines, farming and food preparation. It is posited that the absence of exposure to certain parasites, bacteria and viruses is playing a significant role in the development of autoimmune diseases in the more sanitized Western industrialized nations.[7][8]
Lack of exposure to naturally occurring pathogens and parasites may result in an increased incidence of autoimmune diseases. This is consistent with the hygiene hypothesis.[3][9] A complete explanation of how environmental factors play a role in autoimmune diseases has still not been proposed. However epidemiological studies, such as the meta analysis by Leonardi-Bee et al.,[3] have helped to establish the link between parasitic infestation and its protective role in autoimmune disease development.
Genetic research on the interleukin genes (IL genes) shows that helminths have been a major selective force on a subset of these human genes. In other words, helminths have shaped the evolution of at least parts of the human immune system, especially the genes responsible for Crohn's disease, ulcerative colitis and celiac disease — and provides further evidence that it is the absence of parasites, and in particular helminths, that has likely caused a substantial portion of the increase in incidence of diseases of immune dysregulation and inflammation in industrialized countries in the last century.[10]
Theoretical explanation
Although the mechanism of autoimmune disease development is not fully defined, there is broad agreement that the majority of autoimmune diseases are caused by inappropriate immunological responses to innocuous antigens, driven by a branch of the immune system known as the TH1 type immune response. Extra-cellular antigens primarily trigger the TH2 response, as observed with allergies, while intracellular antigens trigger a TH1 response. The relationship between these two types of immune response is a central theme of the hygiene hypothesis, which suggests that there is a regulatory action between the two types of response. However, the observation that allergies and autoimmune response are increasing at a similar rate in the industrialized nations appears to undermine the hygiene hypothesis.
A refinement of the hygiene hypothesis, which overcomes this apparent contradiction, is the "old friends hypothesis."[11] The old friends hypothesis modifies the hygiene hypothesis by proposing that T regulator cells can only become fully effective if they are stimulated by exposure to microorganisms and parasites that have low levels of pathogenicity, and which have coexisted universally with human beings throughout our evolutionary history. This theory has recently been given more credibility by a study demonstrating the impact of infectious organisms, and helminths in particular, upon genes responsible for the production of various cytokines, some involved in the regulation of inflammation, in particular those associated with the development of Crohn's Disease, ulcerative colitis, and celiac disease.[10]
The hygiene hypothesis proposes that appropriate immune response is in part learned by exposure to these microorganisms and parasites, and in part regulated by their presence. In the industrialised nations, humans are exposed to somewhat lower levels of these organisms. The development of vaccines, hygienic practices, and effective medical care have diminished or eliminated the prevalence and impact of many parasitic organisms, as well as bacterial and viral infections. This has been of obvious benefit with the effective eradication of many diseases that have plagued human beings. However, while many severe diseases have been eradicated, humans' exposure to benign and apparently beneficial parasites has also been reduced commensurately. The central thrust of the theory is, therefore, that correct development of T regulator cells in individuals may depend on exposure to organisms such as lactobacilli, various mycobacteria, and helminths.[6] Lack of exposure to sufficient benign antigens, particularly during childhood, is sometimes suggested as a cause of the increase in autoimmune diseases and diseases for which chronic inflammation is a major component in the industrialized world.
Research
Helminthic therapy with both hookworm and TSO has been investigated in research published by the University of Nottingham[12] and University of Iowa.[13]
Helminthic therapy is currently being studied as a treatment for several (non-viral) auto-immune diseases including celiac disease,[14] Crohn's disease,[15][16][17][18] multiple sclerosis,[19] and ulcerative colitis.[20]
Hookworms have been found to reduce the risk of developing asthma, while Ascaris lumbricoides (roundworm infection) was associated with an increased risk of asthma.[3]
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Thanks again to all... Jox, I will consider that self-application later in the process... I guess that when I am more used to Kambo and its possible effects on me, that will be easier. Right now I will have to wait anyway. During yesterday and today my pollen allergy (birch) got so much worse that I am not able to leave the house or open the window (continuous sneezing and all the serious draining allergy symptoms). Have been taking vit C with bioflavonoids and grape seed extract to no avail. It has never been so bad in my life. Maybe Kambo stirred things up a bit. Anyway I would have to wait with another treatment to see the result clearly, so I have time. Huh.
As for Iboga - I really wanted to try that during the Kambo weekend with Giovanni, but had a weird intuitive feeling about that. So did my partner. And later it turned out that even Giovanni (without knowing my own intuition). I am so weak and my body reacts so aggressively (rashes, hives, suffocating, nausea, headaches, etc.) to many substances that it might do more harm than good. Also I have a very weak liver. I hope to try it later.
Helmint therapy is something I know of, but, my autoimmune problems are most probably caused by Lyme disease. As well as my interstitial cystitis, fatigue and other problems, because lyme causes crash of many bodily systems. Anyway I just do not believe that body turns against itself "just like that" - there is a trigger - chemicals, chronic infection, etc. For me it was probably stress and infection that became chronic. Plus I have tried that antiparasitic therapy by Hulda Clark and actually got better for a while!! (Could be that it is also antimicrobial, but also a sign that parasites are not neccessarily good for me).
Galega: Thanks, you are really kind. Pity you are not in CR or nearby - would really like to meet you as a healer! :) I wanted to ask, you seem to be very experienced in Maca usage... I have read all over the internet, that it can be harmful to those with adrenal fatique because it stimulates the adrenals to be more active (and produce more cortisol, etc.) while they are already drained. Can be ok for those with mild adrenal fatigue while not for those with severe one. Also I came across the fact that in people with worse adrenal condition it might seem OK initially, but causing adrenal crash later because of that stimulation. I do not know what to think, but I have to be careful as I have exactly that kind of experience with Rhodiola (also often recommended for adrenal fatigue). Initially it made me significantly better, more energy, better mood, a little less pain. Then I was jittery and agitated on it, but exhausted and could not sleep. And then just sunk deeper in fatigue and illness and even worse autoimmunity plus much much worse candida to the point that I was bleeding and tearing (ehm, female parts)!... I have to stress that I took it under a care of professional and no excess amount of it! Same goes for siberian ginseng (again, an adaptogen supposedly good for adrenal health). I could virtually feel like I am burning a fuel my body does not have with all the consequences afterwards. Would love to know what you think of it. Maybe Maca is more gentle and balancing than the other adaptogens?
(Basically I had the same concerns with Kambo, as it stimulates the pituitary gland and also adrenals in a kind of "shock"). But that is a different thing as I feel.
And one more question - a friend of mine offers me Maca powder (raw, slowly dried, organic quality). Thing is, a lot of people report gastrointestinal issues and hives with raw powder even in small quantities and also it is said that Peruvians never eat it raw as it is considered harmful. I have more respect to the wisdom of people who live with the medicine for centuries than to some modern western pseudo shamans looking for profit selling "organic raw whatever".:) So, I would rather not start with raw Maca,esp in my case. One can buy "gelatinized"Maca in capsules and that is supposed to be better... Well I thought - what about making a tea out of it? Would that be OK or would I destroy some essential components? Guess 600mg could be 1/4 of a teaspoon of that powder?
For candida I have tried oregano oil (oreganol), sf722, GSE, caprylic acid, nasturtium, and many more, plus the diet... It seems that candida is rather a consequence of a deeper problem in my case rather than the cause itself. But, who knows. Sometimes I test positive (gyno tests), sometimes negative. There are no better tests in CR and it is difficult to determine if I actually have it (I mean the overgrowth). I think so so I take measures...
Thanks again guys, for your support.
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Yes, you must take gelatinized Maca capsules - it should never be taken raw, organic or not. In Peru, Maca is always cooked - seems to be part of the raw/organic movement in Europe but this is misguided. Anyone taking raw Maca will experience all the issues you describe. If you can get gelatinized Black Maca - even better.
I would go with capsules because they're easy and Maca doesn't taste too great to me!. One capsule is 500-600mg and the optimum dose is 1200-1500 but go slow.
I know of a good few people who have succesfully used Maca for adrenal fatigue, even one person whose adrenals had completely packed up. This guy below is an Adrenal Fatigue expert and he advocates Maca too.
He also says that Siberian Ginseng should never be taken by women!
http://blog.adrenalfatigue.org/adrenal-fatigue/dietary-supplements-herbs-stress-and-adrenal-fatigue/
You could be right about the candida but if the tests are not available in CR maybe you would consider getting them done outside CR? You can get the blood drawn locally and post it. http://www.accesalabs.com/toxin?gclid=COrHv93Hg7ICFcHCKgodbQsAUQ
I'll let you know if I ever come your way.
All blessings
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Hey Galega, thanks! Well my active friend brought me the raw powder already, so I guess I will just make tea out of 1/4 teaspoon (using boiling water and keep it simmer for some time) and will see what happens. I see gelatinized Maca is pretty darn expensive and I would have to order it from abroad, so I will give this a shot.
Btw. I know that page, he says panax ginseng (that one I never took) is not good for women, not siberian ginseng (eleuthero) - he advocates that one. Siberian ginseng is considered safe and yet it was worsening my autoimmunity and doing nothing for the fatique. Go figure.
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Ahh, getting my ginsengs mixed up. :)
Best to spread the maca powder out on a baking tray and bake it in the oven on a low heat for a while. Then you can make tea from it or put it in a smoothie/juice.
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Cool, thanks, I will do that! Good to know that just boiling water is not enough!
Having next Kambo session in the beginning of June, can't wait!
Galega (or anyone willing to advice), do you mind if I ask you a few questions about self-administration? I still think about that... I, like you and some others here, feel that I need to do Kambo more often in the beginning (weekly perhaps) in order to be able to evaluate its effects and also to get the best of it. Also you mentioned you treated people with CFS/fibro/etc like that. So I was wondering... Also for financial reasons (Jox is very right there).
How would I know where to make burns? (Just decide intuitively?) I quite know the meridians, butit takes time before my previous burns heal. Gallbladder is occupied for now, for example.:)
How would I know how many? I know I can handle 6 - that's what Giovanni gave me... Should I make less just to be safe? (Of course, with somebody assisting me and being with me - perhaps my partner).
Where do I get the slime? I would like to be sure it comes from a frog that have been treated properly and did not suffer.:)
When you self-treat, is it good to do the classic treatment (2 consecutive Kambos one day, another one the next day?). Or just one, if you do it once a week?
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http://kambo.me/smf/index.php?topic=79.0
There was a guy on ebay who had several sticks for sale @ $32- from argentina but it just sold out (also has Nu-Nu 10gr $27- shipped).. He said he travels to the Matse to get it [who knows if its true]....
Kambo.nu, incense.nu, reset.nu, yage.nl, maya-ethnobotanicals.com.. are all the same place and pretty much the only place that has them...
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Hi Artycok,
I am glad you are considering doing it yourself. I am under Kambo just as writing this... but start a new tread, I don't like long threads, since I think they got confusing for others to read.
I just did with my new stick, from maya, as mentioned above, it actually felt different, I will write about it later.
Kambogahuascangapé has another porvider.
best
Jox
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Hi there
I've given this a bit of thought overnight. This may not be a very popular response but that's ok.
I am not against self administration as a general rule. If you take the time to learn how to administer kambo properly (there's lots of info in this forum about that) and you do it safely with a sitter, then all good, I welcome the spread of this fine medicine. However, if you have complex and multiple health issues such as yours (artycok) then I would advise caution. The fact that you have had unusual and allergic reactions to common herbs and supplements means that you need to be a little more careful than the average self administrator. I suspect that this may be why Giovanni told you not to do it. I would tell you the same thing. For most of us kambo is 100% safe but for the occasional sensitive person, extra care is needed. I appreciate that money is often an issue with these things but if you think about the cost of all the supplements you're taking and the cost of not being able to work properly and live your life, then the cost of the kambo may be seen with a different perspective. It's hard to put a cost on your health when it is impacting you in this way. Personally, I would cut out everything else for a short while and focus on the kambo - but that's just me. Possibly, you could speak to the person that you will go to once a month. Explain your situation and ask her to help you. If someone comes to me with a genuine health issue and cannot afford the treatment they need, then if I can, I will help them by reducing the cost to a level that is comparable with or lower than self administration. I have also traded treatments for other things, everyone has something to offer. Unfortunately we are in different parts of the world or I would offer this to you.
The bigger picture on this is that kambo is legal at the moment and I want it to stay that way. In fact I want to see manistream medicine developed from it (even though I despise big pharma) and I want to see the original, holistic medicine thrive alongside it. For this to happen, those of us that are using at this stage must proceed with a little caution. I'm by no means risk averse or I would never have discovered these amazing medicines in the first place, but, I don't want to see accidents happen. So far these have been low key and happened in the forest ( as far as I'm aware).
Its not my intention to spread fear about this, simply to ask you to be careful. Kambo has been around a long time but we still have a lot to learn about it. I applaud those who are pushing the boundaries and extending our collective knowledge but we must also know when to apply caution. I have been present when a person experienced a severe allergic reaction from kambo despite having taken it on a previous occasion. We don't understand all its interactions with other substances so this can happen occasionally. You're taking lots of things, trying lots of new things - and that's great. You're pro-active and you're fighting it. I feel sure you'll get through this.
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HI Galega,
this is an immediate response, and unfiltered one, but I have a doubt:
Giovanni, is he an MD, is he doing his treatments in a hospital fully equipped with, tubing, reanimating, heart monitoring equipement? Can he apply all sorts of medications for allergy reactions, hart failure... If not, then what are we talking about.
I am 46, and been sick with CFS/FM for 22 years. Do you know how much $ I have spend over that period of time. And to ALTERNATIVE practcioners, since offical has noting to offer, which in a way is more honest.
None of the treatment worked, and you know what, NONE practicioner would say anything, suddenly the door was closed, and I would became a "persona non-grata".
We should name names, I don't know Giovanni, I don't know how much he charges, and by no means, he/she should charge for the service reasonalby, but also give free treatments, and also instruct self use if necessary. Maybe he dose all that.
But making oneself indispensable, especially the sick, is a borderline to a crime, and MD's and alternative practicioners are borderline criminals, just compare them to nurses.
puffff I let myslef go
hope this is not confrontational
Jox
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Hi Jox
Thanks for your response. Its fine because you are totally entitled to your view and to express it any way you wish. Thats a given.
I can't comment on or answer for how anyone else works, only myself. Whilst Kambo is clearly not administered in a clinical environment, I hope that my training and experience enables me to understand what is an abnormal reaction and how to deal with that calmly.
My point was simply
1.That this woman has an extremely complex and highly individual set of health issues going on here and that in my view, because of that alone, she should exercise a little caution. Of course she has free will and can do as she chooses and you are free to disagree with me.
2. That there is always a bigger picture to consider and that its important for those of us that believe in this medicine to do the best we can to protect it and preserve its integrity.
Sounds like you've had a rough time with MDs and APs. I'm sad to hear that. I trust there are some good people out there doing their best to help others, being accessible and setting reasonable rates but agreed, there are also some rotten ones. I can't say much more about that.
All good wishes
Galega
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Hi Artycok, nice to read you!:-)
I am a CZ girl with a Lyme positive mother. If you like you can contact her and discuss her experience directly.
After that weekend she feels much better, we are now curious about blood tests.
She tried aya as well and Harmala & Jurema tea - both with quite good results - I can write more. Definitely she wants to drink Harmala tea regularly.
Hugs!!!!