Kambo
Kambo Protocol's => Precautions => Topic started by: mycotheologist on September 15, 2012, 06:12:46 PM
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I see that I've been making my burns far too intense because I can tell that the scars are going to be permanent. I don't mind because my t-shirt covers them and they look good in my opinion (they're in rows of 5), plus I like having a permanent mark to remind me of my initiation into kambo but for anyone here who is new to kambo and wants to avoid permanent scarring, go easy. A very mild burn is all thats needed. What I was doing was heating the stick until red hot, then prodding it into my arm and holding it there until my skin completely quenched all heat. Thats completely overdoing it, in videos of Matses shamans applying it, they just touch the skin with the hot vine for under a second. I did kambo today, and this time I just briefly touched my skin with the hot tip and made very mild burns but it turned out to be my most intense experience so far.
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Every time I have done it to myself the scars have disappeared entirely. It is only when someone else applied it that I was left with permanent scars in a location that is often exposed (ankle area). The person applying the burns most definitely did so much harder and longer than I do, but I think part of the reason for the permanent scarring is that location is more prone to it.
I have applied 17 dots (other than on ears) and have one slight scar that is barely visible on my upper arm. It was the first dot and I burned and pressed for like 4 seconds. It is also 2-3x larger than it should've been. Seriously though, it is barely noticeable, therefore I would conclude that location of the burns plays a major role in the likelihood of scarring.
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Thank god all my body scars stay as they are marks of ordeals and courage. On my ears they go away. It's like Kambo advertisement.
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I'm with you on that one KIAP. I said I did mild burns this time but it was only the 2 burns on my chest/shoulder area that I did mildly, I made a row of 5 intense ones along side my older row of spots on my right arm. I did this because I want to make it official that I am permanently aligning with the spirit of the frog, in spirit, mind and in body. Like you said, they are permanent marks of courage and perserverance. Physical warriors have physical marks. Spiritual warriors have spiritual marks (i.e. the permanent changes ayahuasca produce to ones spirit). Kambo is both a spiritual and physical ordeal and thus marks one both spiritually and physically.
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kiap and myco - any chance either one of you can post a pic of your scars?
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No from me.
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This lady I was talking to on FB who has fibromyalgia (I suggested her to try kambo) and she responded by telling me that one of her friends did it bc she had cancer and was trying to be purged of the cancer by a peruvian shaman, but the burn wound got infected and she died, she said she would have probably died of the cancer anyway, but the burn wound infection caused her a lot of unneeded pain and suffering on her way out.... Has anyone heard of this happening before, is it possible (not likely but possible) for the burn wounds to get infected? Was the lady possibly lying or exaggerating? Idk I just think this should be up for discussion what do yall think?
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i guess it's possible with a compromised immune system, not keeping the would sterile, and being in a new, very humid, environment with new pathogens you're immune system is not used to. I wonder if dragon's blood is anti-microbial. I kind of feel like it is. Besides forming a a second skin-like bandage and helping to repair skin. It sometimes burns like hydrogen peroxide when first applied. I also notice that pain of wounds are dulled after Dragon's Blood has been on a while, almost as if it has pain-relieving compounds as well.
I don't know but it's a shame she has been scared away from Kambo.
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yes dragons blood is antimicrobial it is good for herpes so I know it is antiviral.... But a lot of the time when I put dragons blood on wounds and they aren't cleaned good enough an infection still persists....
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for little wounds i found it is comfortable covering them with a rolling paper ( that you use to make cigarettes); it sticks perfectly after Dragon's Blood ( or Propolis, or Neem oil) is applied and helps very much to shield and protect the wound from external pathogens.
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I don't know about that case, to speculate would only be assuming and therefore misleading. I don't see how it could happen though. I guess it did, so that's all I can say.
Lately I like making "Nicotiana patches" over my burns. Using Dragon's Blood and a Nicotiana extract that I make. Gives me a nice buzz as well as being extremely antimicrobial.
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Hey folks,
great forum, learning a lot. Thanks.
With respect to the burns/healing/infection issue. Is a good old bandaid with a little neosporin not a good idea ? How about cleaning the area with betadine prior to the burns ? Medical person here, thinking like a Doc.
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Sangre De Drago, 3 layers, 1 layer every 5 minutes until dry (liquid bandage). All other talk is mumbo jumbo or excessive, IMO. No reason to complicate what is already figured out, IMO.
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yeah i love using Sangre De Drago. I think this is one jungle technology that is superior to band-aids. I never layered it tho. I usually just put a big drop on the burn. sometimes i spread it in. this even lasts through showers if you don't rub the area too harshly with soap. I pat it with a little soap. And the dragon's blood usually doesn't fall off until it is healed enough where I don't need to re-apply. as a scab does.
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I found out that its not a matter of me overdoing the burns, I just happen to scar easily. The mild burns I did are still visible after 3 months, even when I applied Sangre de Grado. I have really light skin, but I don't think thats the issue, most peoples scars turn skin coloured relatively quickly, whereas mine stay pink for a very long time. I have a big scar on my forehead from 7 years ago, and its still pink. My older scars have turned white so maybe they'll go away eventually.
kiap and myco - any chance either one of you can post a pic of your scars?
This is myco, I lost the password for my old account. I'll borrow a decent camera and post a pic at some point.
This lady I was talking to on FB who has fibromyalgia (I suggested her to try kambo) and she responded by telling me that one of her friends did it bc she had cancer and was trying to be purged of the cancer by a peruvian shaman, but the burn wound got infected and she died, she said she would have probably died of the cancer anyway, but the burn wound infection caused her a lot of unneeded pain and suffering on her way out.... Has anyone heard of this happening before, is it possible (not likely but possible) for the burn wounds to get infected? Was the lady possibly lying or exaggerating? Idk I just think this should be up for discussion what do yall think?
The worst I experienced was a bit of itching while the burns were healing. I sterilised my burns with peroxide or dragons blood. Kambo itself has antiseptic properties so I doubt that the infection could have started during the application process. Sterilising the burns from time to time while they are healing should eliminate the possibility of infection altogether. The worst infection I've had was when I had pins put in my hand to help a wrist fracture heal, I didn't bother to sterilise it at all and after a month, the whole area around the pin swelled up with an infection. After a few days of sterilising with alcohol, the swelling went down. I don't see how someone could die from an infected burn like that, that kinda thing happens to people who don't have access to antiseptics but I've never heard of it happening to someone with access to topical antiseptics and prescription antibiotics.
I wonder if dragon's blood is anti-microbial. I kind of feel like it is. Besides forming a a second skin-like bandage and helping to repair skin. It sometimes burns like hydrogen peroxide when first applied. I also notice that pain of wounds are dulled after Dragon's Blood has been on a while, almost as if it has pain-relieving compounds as well.
Yeah sangre de grado is a potent antibiotic and antiviral. I've used it to cure stomach bugs multiple times. 10 drops in a glass of water cures the diarrhea and stomach pain rapidly.
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Is Dragon's Blood usually available in local herbal stores? Would you apply pure drops on the Kambo spots after cleaning it and does it resist regular showers?
My current Kambo spots have a very mild redness. I had only applied Kambo and let exposed, which may not have been the greatest idea. On the other hand my first time was with the Matse and this is exactly what they did. 3 spots from 2x week ago barely any redness, from 1x week ago slightly more red (and was more red than the 2x from the start), from yesterday no signs of redness yet...
I was going to apply polysporin today and started using hydrogen peroxide yesterday.
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I don't think most local herb stores would carry it as it is sort of a South-American specialty. It can be ordered off Amazon.com which is what I do.
Shake tincture and apply dragons blood to the burned points after washing the Kambo globules off. Allow it to dry. Sometimes I wash the dragons blood off and re-apply to points if it bubbles or looks square shaped or something. so that the Dragon's Blood fills the point like a water filling a pool and keeps the shape, and is satisfactorily aesthetically pleasing to me. or ill moistened and roll the corner of a paper towel and wipe the excess off by some up and wiping and run-off around it.
Dragon's Blood is anti-microbial and has tissue healing compounds in it. It also forms a scab almost exactly as your skin would except a bit more reddish in color. and this scab is never as deep as a regular scab and you never really run into picking and bleeding issues, unless you purposely pick it to make scars more prominent and lasting.
Dragon's blood once dry will not wash off in the shower. My last shower left dried whitish coloration on my points from shaving with a certain soap, and I rewashed them with my natural Dr. Bronner's soap I shower with to remove the whitish soap and the dragons blood stays dried and in place fine. I originally avoided washing them in the shower, but now do it everyday, and they only come off when healed.
Redness around the areas are normal and somewhat common for me. After my last application I had a red patch of skin near a point which lasted about 2 days.
Only thing I do after the dragon's blood has dried is rub a little oil on them when I'm making a smoothie each day. Olive, coconut, and/or hemp etc. just to keep them from drying out and the edges peeling up prematurely.