Kambo
Kambo Experience => Kambo as a Divine Catalyst for Opening up Doors of Opportunity => Topic started by: Kambogahuasca Panacea on December 20, 2012, 03:39:01 PM
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I feel like we are on the cusp of something that could ultimately prove very beneficial for a much larger population. Of course this increase in interest has it's positives and negatives. With the solstice arrived I felt it an apt time to present some interests I have with working with Kambo. Ultimately I can see it becoming a "legitimate" medicinal practice akin to Reiki, Massage, Acupuncture and other similar healing modalities. What I am trying to get at is I see a coming (maybe soon) where the practice of Kambo can be more formalized into a certification process. While this might sound controversial I would at least like to state the cause for this and then express an interest in the pro's and con's from others.
I can see if there could be a more public consensus type of certification for a Kambo healing practitioner there could be much greater accountability as well as connecting those that need healing. This could also get word out about the infinite capacities of this medicine and finally get it recognized by alternative medicine. I could see that practitioners could form cooperatives and alliances that would give back to native tribes as well as making sure that conservation is mantained for the Phyllomedusa Bicolor.
In my personal opinion there is no greater healing technique than Kambo and to have it in the shades, as it currently stands, is doing no justice. While Giovanni Lattanzi (with the highest regards and respect) is able to make a profitable income with his Kambo healing, other practitioners (myself included) are not recognized by and large and therefore not given the proper energy exchange value that other healers are given. For instance I currently charge $30 a session for Kambo and many times this produces great results, but I often have folks that seem reluctant to even pay that fee. When I told Giovanni what I charge he told me it was way too cheap. It's hard to explain that folks don't recognize the value of this healing technique. So that would be another reason.
While I can see many arguments to this. At least for now the seed is growing in me to see Kambo healing be a certified and verifiable practice rather than an avant garde fringe mystery.
Other's thoughts? I would appreciate any input. I put it in this catagory as I will be pouring my intentions into this, to see to it that this dream is realized in it's fruition materialized.
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Yeah, I understand what you mean. I can't imagine even being able to get $30 out of most of the people I know for it. The idea of even charging for the things I hold most sacred to my heart is an inner-conflict. How do you find customers? I know a few friends that would be willing to experience it but none that would be too happy about me asking for a decent amount of money. I also can't help but feel that if this gets to publicized the powers that be will eventually begin attacks on it. But maybe it's been long enough. maybe the right time is now. maybe it can help support our species and it's evolution in the coming times. There's also only so many things people are going to be allowed to be taken away in the name of protection and freedom. So I think it's a worthy risk to stand for what you believe in.
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How do you find customers?
I started by doing it for free, when results went really well for people then I saw a need to charge a fee as it is in my opinion taxing in both energy and time. When I do it for free (for instance some poor folks don't have $ at that time) I feel slightly taken advantage of, to be fully and completely honest. People take this sacred practice (IMO) for granted if it is free. This is my experience at least. Charging a fee makes them realize that it is something worthwhile (IMO/IME).
We live in a very entitled society. I don't like that one bit and I also don't like energy sucking vampires that don't give back anything. Causes me resentments which is not a place I want to go to.
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interesting topic kp - you raise a lot of valid points/questions.
I really like the idea of some sort of kambo certification. This would have many benefits for both the practitioner and their clients. I think it would make it easier for the practitioner to request an adequate fee and would reassure the client that they aren't being had by some sort of imposter. You just have to see what goes on with Ayahuasca to see how its important to have some sort of standard - there are so many fake shamans out there.
Even Giovanni has run into problems because kambo is so unknown and people get angry if their addiction or whatever they want fixed persists.
The bigger question is how do we protect the magical frog from extinction - as kambo use increases, more pressure is being put on the frog and the enviroment it lives in.
I think you need to double your fee. If you don't charge enough, people will feel like you're not qualified and that the medicine they are receiving isn't of value - its strange psychology but if you get something for cheap, then you feel like it isn't worth much and if they have to pay a good amount, they are more likely to have more respect for the medicine they are receiving. There will always be troublemakers but the vast majority of people will honor this.
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More soul stice revelations on the topic and thanks for the helpful and thoughtful replies,
As of right now (actually yesterday afternoon) it occurred to me that a good way to make this happen is to get my Acupuncture License. Of course this would take a lot of time and money but I can see some amazing benefits when combining this with my dream job, Kambo healing. Then once the Acupuncture License is in tact I could begin combining this much more potent healing technique while having credentials in both ways. This might make it possible to have a tangible development for creating a branch off of Acupuncture for Kambo healing.
Otherwise I might just not have the cred to make it happen.
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I think getting an acupuncture license would be an excellent idea - it provides a certification that would dovetail nicely with kambo work. Seeing as how the two go together so well, it's a good marriage and would also give you some cred which is much needed in the world we live in.
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kiap, when you treat people, do you treat them in your house or theirs? Or both? Cause I'm thinking, due to the purging, it could possibly get messy. Any protocols for this?
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Both. 5gal Purge buckets. When it's warm enough I do it outside w/o question. Preferably @ sacred sites.
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Kiap, I think getting an acupuncture certificate is the best thing you can do, then you could always work with acupuncture and bring Kambo in when someone is interested or when you see need, however, I'm sure it would be considered a bit unorthodox and you would still have to mind your p's and q's.
I have a few questions, how often do you treat people?
Is kambo a big source of income for you?
Is this something you do mostly in your freetime?
Why do you feel taken advantage of if you do someone a freebie?
I can sort of understand charging if it takes up a lot of your time, but if your feeling taken advantage of for doing it as a favor, perhaps your treating the wrong folks and should re-evaluate your intentions.
Honestly I have yet to administer Kambo to anyone other than myself, people seem pretty weary of it, besides it is not just for anyone.
I personally think it would be an amazing life and way to make a living, but what protocols have.you set in place in case something goes wrong? Realizing that if something did go wrong, it could draw unwanted attention to the medicine?
Entheogens are my 3rd love, first is god my higher power, second is my love for my beothers and sisters, and in order to keep this all going I have to do things I don't much like....work, but this is why im going back to school for biology and botany so maybe one day i can do what i love for a living.
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Turns out acupuncture school doesn't make a lot of sense. If I felt it was important to explain I would. Just to expensive and too hard to combine with Kambo given the legal parameters placed on Acupuncturists. Too much freaking debt.
I have a few questions, how often do you treat people?
Who's business is this question...private.
Is kambo a big source of income for you?
Private
Is this something you do mostly in your freetime?
Freetime...funny concept. A paradox of worlds within the word.
Why do you feel taken advantage of if you do someone a freebie?
I don't care to explain that. Experience is my radar on that one.
but what protocols have.you set in place in case something goes wrong?
Not everyone should be a Kambo practitioner. It should be bestowed by the frog. And I don't know what you mean by something goes wrong? An experienced well versed Kambo practitioner will negate the possibility of something going wrong in the first place. Someone that should not be treating others will have that sort of thing happen, then take um to the pitt hole...hos pitt hole.
Realizing that if something did go wrong, it could draw unwanted attention to the medicine?
No shit.
second is my love for my beothers and sisters, and in order to keep this all going I have to do things I don't much like....work, but this is why im going back to school for biology and botany so maybe one day i can do what i love for a living.
Being responsible is the true inner teaching of entheogens. So keep up the good work.
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So more than one 5 gallon buckets? Is one for puking and one for the back end? Couldn't the person just wait for the purge near or by the bathroom? Or do you find it easier for them to sit in a regular chair with a bucket in front of them in a more open room? Does diarrhea usually come later and is more controllable? Do you smudge the area after a person purges their sicknesses? I do this often for myself, and would think it necessary especially with guests purging in my house.
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I havent done it yet but how do you market a drug that makes you nauseus and burnt by a stick?
As my friend says "some of us are back here (reincarnated) doing algebra and some of us are back here doing there ABC's"
I guees there so engrossed in the soap opera of life they cant see past it
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Well my only advertisements are my markings. When asked I will explain what kambo is. And I have explained it to close friends. But people are too close-minded for me to try to push it on people. Even some close friends think i'm crazy and say they will never try "frog poison". The ones that need the healing or feel a calling toward it will hopefully find their way. I have a friend that I will administer it to soon. So the more people that do it maybe the more will want to do it. when they see that no one is dying. Either way kambo is something that will be maintained only by those "in the know." At least at this time. I think the idea of close friends sharing the markings is cool. Like matching tattoos but more unique and administered to one another with out need for a third party. at least if you know what you're doing.
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Forget it being a drug. Get that idea out of your head and then proceed level headed and rationally. Do lot's of research here and on eboka ask Giovanni lots of questions and then think about it more. I don't want people that are reckless (not saying you are I'm just concerned about people with schizophrenia approaching such powerful medicine without a healer/facillitator involved) using Kambo or putting this medicine in any risk area concerned with it's legitimacy. As the only Kambo forum we have a responsibility in safety first and making sure Kambo as a protected medicine is the first priority. As far as I'm concerned people attempting to do this on their own without prior healing experience is not worth the risk.
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New Zealand has more of a lenient attitude. Unless I die your medicine will be fine. So now I guees have another reason not to die
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so your saying after I've done it with a healer I can then do kambo more safely afterwards by administering it myself?
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Yes. But mainly what I'm saying is that I don't feel in any way confident in providing advice to someone with schizophrenia over the internet. Been there done that. I excercise extreme caution when dealing with schizophrenia, I do not underestimate the nature of this illness for a moment.
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in my belief system all mental illness is the seed of uncultivated(or miscultivated) enlightenment.
i would say you should first start practicing acupressure with these systems (http://www.iama.edu/Graphics/8Extraordinary/YinYangWeiMo.htm) you want to google seach point your working with and look for images showing the bones in relation to the point it makes it much more reliable for finding the points to use the bones as finger guides. you know you hit the point when other muscles recoil with the urge to stop pressing
i would then once familiar with the bodies meridians and points move onto applying essential oils mixed in olive oil or another carried oil to the meridians and points, there is a thread here ware i shared the EO-meridians table of what oils to put on what meridian pairs, then after you become familiar with balancing and clearing all meridians with oils and acupressure THEN i would advise THINKING about looking to IDEALLY undergo kambo treatment followed possibly by the potential idea of LOOKING INTO self kambo application.
i am more than certain you may not require something as drastic healing as kambo and its quite possible EO or acupressure could very possibly bring you to a state well being that you find satisfactory.
lucid dreaming is something you should very seriously consider, as a first line treatment for all mental illness.
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Giovanni makes a point, I'll need a higher dose because of my meds. Do I want to do a super high dose without a healer? Probably not
So I'll do kambo with someone experienced
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Hello.
I know this is an old thread. I'm in New Zealand and I noticed you were speaking of practicing in New Zealand. I would love to have the treatment. I have been sick for years and have no energy and feel depressed. The doctor diagnosed me with post traumatic stress.
If anyone can help me, I would be so grateful. Like really grateful.
Kind Regards,
Cherry